SWITZERLAND 2013 - Takasa - You and me

[Little]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

@vavera4ka:
Beacuse it's a sweet song, with a beautiful text... xsnooty

 

[Shqiperia]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

HD quality.

 

[Matt]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

The ‘Heilsarmee’, winners of this weekend’s Swiss national final in Kreuzlingen, have been told that they won’t be allowed to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest under their current name or if they wear their uniforms.
An official SRF press release said that the broadcaster had asked the European Broadcasting union for guidance on the issue after the song was picked. An EBU statement read:

“The song “You and I” meets the requirements of the EBU. Nevertheless, it is clear from the perspective of the EBU that a performance in Malmö will only be possible if the band does not appear in the official uniform of the Salvation Army. In addition, the song may not be entered under the name of ‘Salvation Army’. The EBU Reference Group will review whether these changes were implemented in January.
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[Sean]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Why? Ridiculous...they didn't even ask Trackshittaz to change their name

 

[vavera4ka]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

@vavera4ka:
Beacuse it's a sweet song, with a beautiful text... xsnooty

well, good for her, and those who understand.
I like it when the songs are not in English (unless official language of a country is English )
But the song has to interest me first to go and look up lyrics and their translation.
I know enough of French, German, Russian and English to be able to distinguish lyrics of almost any European country after having them read and translated. (thank you close knit history and vocabulary exchange through borders lol)
But for me to go and put some work into that I have to be interested. It may be melody, it may be the show and lighting, it even may be something as shallow as a hot guy whose smile makes me weak, but i need something.
This song/performance did nothing for me. The girls is cute (i don't agree with styling, but to each his/her own), the voice (or what i heard in those 1.5 minutes) is rather weak, even though quite pleasant, but melody and performance would be something i'd add to my "i need to fall asleep now or i will be a zombie at work tomorrow" playlist.
just IMO

 

[CypriotGirl]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

@vavera4ka:
Beacuse it's a sweet song, with a beautiful text... xsnooty

^This! And I even don't understand Italian, but I feel the song, it gives me goosebumps! I hate it when people call the emotional songs "snoozefest"! :?

 

[Little]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Yes, it's obvious that all these are personal opinions.
Imo, I like the sound... and it's obvious that, considering the music and lyrics, her performance had to be calm, placid.
Ayway, I found some days ago, an english translation of the text.
Chiara Dubey - Bella Sera - YouTube
Personally, I like both text and music; I don't know, however, what is your fav musical genre.

 

[A-lister]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

The ‘Heilsarmee’, winners of this weekend’s Swiss national final in Kreuzlingen, have been told that they won’t be allowed to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest under their current name or if they wear their uniforms.
An official SRF press release said that the broadcaster had asked the European Broadcasting union for guidance on the issue after the song was picked. An EBU statement read:

“The song “You and I” meets the requirements of the EBU. Nevertheless, it is clear from the perspective of the EBU that a performance in Malmö will only be possible if the band does not appear in the official uniform of the Salvation Army. In addition, the song may not be entered under the name of ‘Salvation Army’. The EBU Reference Group will review whether these changes were implemented in January.
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That's some bullsh*t, the war on Christians have found its way into Eurovision and EBU headquarters!!!

 

[Matt]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Why? Ridiculous...they didn't even ask Trackshittaz to change their name

Trackshittaz is not the name of a for Not Profit organization, that is the difference here. I personally don't mind or worry about the name but I can understand why they have to change it. Any official names of organizations, brands etc are not allowed in the contest.

 

[Matt]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

That's some bullsh*t, the war on Christians have found its way into Eurovision and EBU headquarters!!!

The same thing would have happened if "The Atheist party" (pretending it's a real name) or any other name of an organization, brand, company would have represented Switzerland. It's not a war on Christianity.

 

[A-lister]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

The same thing would have happened if "The Atheist party" (pretending it's a real name) or any other name of an organization, brand, company would have represented Switzerland. It's not a war on Christianity.

Well, we can only speculate about that.

But aren't they actual part of the Salvation Army? I would have got it if they've just called themselves such with no actual attachment to it. It's also a non-profit brand so it's not as if they sponsor Coca Cola or anything, it's also a non- offensive brand (I mean it's not as if it's terror network or something). So they can't have their name nor their uniforms? The uniforms are part of the act

 

[Shqiperia]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

The only reason why the group's participation may be in danger is that the Salvation Army and their uniforms are registered trademarks. Guys, you are not getting the point.

 

[A-lister]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

The only reason why the group's participation may be in danger is that the Salvation Army and their uniforms are registered trademarks. Guys, you are not getting the point.

But aren't this group in fact a part of The Salvation Army??

 

[Matt]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Well, we can only speculate about that.

But aren't they actual part of the Salvation Army? I would have got it if they've just called themselves such with no actual attachment to it. It's also a non-profit brand so it's not as if they sponsor Coca Cola or anything, it's also a non- offensive brand (I mean it's not as if it's terror network or something). So they can't have their name nor their uniforms? The uniforms are part of the act

I would assume there is a trademark on the costumes.

And being a Non Profit organization also wouldn't allow you to "promote" your organization in such manner. I personally don't share that concern but let's say there would have been a Muslim, Atheist, Scientologist etc organization (non profit) representing Switzerland, it would have been the same situation.

 

[Matt]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

But aren't this group in fact a part of The Salvation Army??

That wouldn't matter. I wouldn't be able to use "Boy Scouts" just because I'm am a member or use the name of my insurance company just because i'm employed by them

 

[A-lister]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

That wouldn't matter. I wouldn't be able to use "Boy Scouts" just because I'm am a member or use the name of my insurance company just because i'm employed by them

But isn't that up to The Salvation Army to judge this and not EBU? If The Salvation Army is ok with it then it's not as if they illegally use their brand right?

 

[Sean]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

If I got it right the point is that this could count as a form of advertisement, am I correct? Which would mean even the Salvation Army wouldn't be able to okay it...shame as for non-German speakers Heilsarmee is a great name

 

[Matt]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

But isn't that up to The Salvation Army to judge this and not EBU? If The Salvation Army is ok with it then it's not as if they illegally use their brand right?

Not really, because whether or not it's intentional it is going to provide them with exposure and/or promotion of their organization. I'm sure "Microsoft" wouldn't have a problem to use their name in Eurovision (or facebook, remember?) but it is still against the rule. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that the Heilarmee here is to push their believes or spread their morals across Europe but the rules apply to everyone. Just like the Facebook song wasn't trying really to sell their products it was meant as a joke, it won't change the facts.

 

[Matt]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

If I got it right the point is that this could count as a form of advertisement, am I correct? Which would mean even the Salvation Army wouldn't be able to okay it...shame as for non-German speakers Heilsarmee is a great name

Kinda, in a nutshell no official trademarked names, organizations, clubs etc can enter the contest

 

[A-lister]

Re: SWITZERLAND 2013 - Heilsarmee - You and me

Not really, because whether or not it's intentional it is going to provide them with exposure and/or promotion of their organization. I'm sure "Microsoft" wouldn't have a problem to use their name in Eurovision (or facebook, remember?) but it is still against the rule. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that the Heilarmee here is to push their believes or spread their morals across Europe but the rules apply to everyone. Just like the Facebook song wasn't trying really to sell their products it was meant as a joke, it won't change the facts.

Well, I do get it. But since the band is in fact The Salvation Army (or part of it) right? Then it makes it a bit different imo. But yeah, I am aware of the whole branding thing in ESC.