Russia RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova - I Won't Break

[A-lister]

In terms of song quality this probably sits somewhere between 8th and 12th tonight, so very possible it will get through and not solely because of the diaspora vote.

As for that point, diaspora voting has damaged Eurovision for decades now and there is nothing that can be done about it unless you either abolish televoting or weight voting to give the big countries more voting power than the small ones (though even this wouldn't always work - Ukraine voting for Russia, France/Germany voting for Turkey... )

How the hell would making the voting unfair and giving the big countries more voting rights limit diaspora voting? As you just pointed out, pretty much all big countries have lots of diaspora in them, makes no sense what so ever.

If an entry is worthy, the juries shouldn't mess up its chances just because they happen to have diaspora (and we've seen the juries sometimes "punish" countries just because of diaspora, not because their entries deserved it), however if the entry is bad and combined with a bad performance, this is where the juries should step in and do what they're supposed to do (however it seems seldom they really do), but in the case of Russia this year it really should be the case.

 

[Chorizo]

Very true, but in this case it would be so obviously unfair, because in other cases you can at least argue that something was right, here based on all criteria it just shouldn't qualify.

This entry really doesn't have any redeemable qualities.

Song: No.
Vocals: Nope.
Staging: looool

Does it deserve to qualify?

 

[Juliette]

I think the lyrics we actually hear Julia sing are likely much better than what they are supposed to be.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

How the hell would making the voting unfair and giving the big countries more voting rights limit diaspora voting? As you just pointed out, pretty much all big countries have lots of diaspora in them, makes no sense what so ever.

If an entry is worthy, the juries shouldn't mess up its chances just because they happen to have diaspora (and we've seen the juries sometimes "punish" countries just because of diaspora, not because their entries deserved it), however if the entry is bad and combined with a bad performance, this is where the juries should step in and do what they're supposed to do (however it seems seldom they really do).

Because most diaspora tends to be stacked up in smaller countries. Countries that benefit from diaspora voting already emass a shit load of points before their entry or the opinion of the rest of Europe's voting is even considered.

Russian diaspora is in the Baltic states, Ukraine, and the Caucasus. Right now they all have equal power to each other and much larger countries. Whereas with weighted voting, Russia would only really receive a voting advantage from one country - Ukraine.

Very similar for Turkey, there are 13 countries where there is a sizeable diaspora, but only three of them are large countries. Right now Turkey could stack up 13 sets of big points thanks to diaspora, whereas with weighted voting they could only get three (who at the same time would also be giving high amount of points to countries other than Turkey).

I'm not sure if I favour weighted voting myself (it has good and bad points). But it is quite obvious to see that it would reduce the ability of countries to have advantage due to diaspora votes.

I think national juries should be abandoned for a Eurovision-wide jury.

 

[Ana Raquel]

it's today!!!! will she bake it to the finals?????

 

[GermanBango]

it's today!!!! will she bake it to the finals?????

She will

 

[A-lister]

Because most diaspora tends to be stacked up in smaller countries. Countries that benefit from diaspora voting already emass a shit load of points before their entry or the opinion of the rest of Europe's voting is even considered.

Russian diaspora is in the Baltic states, Ukraine, and the Caucasus. Right now they all have equal power to each other and much larger countries. Whereas with weighted voting, Russia would only really receive a voting advantage from one country - Ukraine.

Very similar for Turkey, there are 13 countries where there is a sizeable diaspora, but only three of them are large countries. Right now Turkey could stack up 13 sets of big points thanks to diaspora, whereas with weighted voting they could only get three (who at the same time would also be giving high amount of points to countries other than Turkey).

I'm not sure if I favour weighted voting myself (it has good and bad points). But it is quite obvious to see that it would reduce the ability of countries to have advantage due to diaspora votes.

I think national juries should be abandoned for a Eurovision-wide jury.

But this is where I don't get your logic, if you'd weighted the votes, you'd just also weight over the impact of the diaspora votes from one country to the other, so the end result could be pretty similar in the end

Anyways, Turkey is not in Eurovision for some years and I don't see them entering again (if not some miracle happens and the opposition would win their upcoming national elections, but the results are already made up so won't happen).

I don't think weighted votes would be introduced either, nor should it be, nor do I think it would really help as you say

 

[Chorizo]

In terms of song quality this probably sits somewhere between 8th and 12th tonight, so very possible it will get through and not solely because of the diaspora vote.

As for that point, diaspora voting has damaged Eurovision for decades now and there is nothing that can be done about it unless you either abolish televoting or weight voting to give the big countries more voting power than the small ones (though even this wouldn't always work - Ukraine voting for Russia, France/Germany voting for Turkey... )

I think the voting patterns that exist due to the diaspora should be taken into account by calculating the unfair advantage countries have had in previous contests and then adjusting the votes accordingly. That could be done in various ways. It would be easiest if the juries just ranked entries lower based on a calculated score to make up for the diaspora votes in their country but that wouldn't tackle the problem of political votes that the juries themselves are to blame for. Maybe it would be best to do this automatically. Instead of using the original votes, the ranking could be automatically adjusted after voting in order to deduct the influence of the diaspora based on a calculated score.

So after the ranking is compiled, a country that profits from a diaspora could then be placed lower in the televote ranking by one, two or three positions based on that score. That's just a first idea. I'm sure it would be possible to come up with a system that filters out the diaspora vote. The problem is that the EBU wants to make money from the votes and a lot of money comes from people that support their home countries no matter what they send every year. Countries that get a lot of their votes from their diaspora would also complain but most of these countries are poor and don't contribute much money to the EBU, so their complaints could probably be disregarded. The major problem is that the EBU is after Russian money. The Russian diaspora is responsible for the biggest distortions of the televote. If Russia were kicked out of the competition because of their human rights violations and the political problems they bring to Eurovision, the effect of the diaspora vote in Eurovision could be reduced significantly.

 

[Chorizo]

Because most diaspora tends to be stacked up in smaller countries. Countries that benefit from diaspora voting already emass a shit load of points before their entry or the opinion of the rest of Europe's voting is even considered.

Russian diaspora is in the Baltic states, Ukraine, and the Caucasus. Right now they all have equal power to each other and much larger countries. Whereas with weighted voting, Russia would only really receive a voting advantage from one country - Ukraine.

Very similar for Turkey, there are 13 countries where there is a sizeable diaspora, but only three of them are large countries. Right now Turkey could stack up 13 sets of big points thanks to diaspora, whereas with weighted voting they could only get three (who at the same time would also be giving high amount of points to countries other than Turkey).

I'm not sure if I favour weighted voting myself (it has good and bad points). But it is quite obvious to see that it would reduce the ability of countries to have advantage due to diaspora votes.

I think national juries should be abandoned for a Eurovision-wide jury.

What you say has nothing to do with the diaspora. There are generally more small countries than large countries in Europe. That's all.

 

[henhu]

I think it will be closer to bottom than 10th place. And I like studio version a lot!

 

[mauve]

it's today!!!! will she bake it to the finals?????

Yep, she will bake probably russian bread.

 

[John1]

I can't wait to see the whole drama as a likely outcome from tonight's semi final.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

But this is where I don't get your logic, if you'd weighted the votes, you'd just also weight over the impact of the diaspora votes from one country to the other, so the end result could be pretty similar in the end

I guess we should discuss the voting system some place itself but I don't think there would be this problem because the big countries would still have less voting power than they deserve, they would just have more than they currently have. For instance, I wouldn't favour a system that gives Russia (the largest country) 483233% more voting power than San Marino (the smallest country) lol. But at the same time it wouldn't give 33 thousand people and equal say as 145 million.

There would be a few big diaspora votes up for grabs, but they would be less valuable than the old multiple equal diaspora votes going around.

 

[Sammy]

She's dropping in the "to qualify" odds on 13th position.

 

[EscGeek]

I would be fine if she makes it. its cute in its own way.
Either way...this thread is interesting from the very beginning..

 

[mauve]

I would be fine if she makes it. its cute in its own way.
Either way...this thread is interesting from the very beginning..

What about putting the popcorn on Yulia's mountain? Would look like snowflakes. Might give her some points.

 

[lavieenrose]

Good luck for tonight Yulia. We feel your not breaking girl!!! [-3]

 

[Alex1211ander]

I will be very angry if this will qualify. She got a weak voice, a weak song, no star appeal and a weird staging & accent

I will hate every Country that is giving any points to Russia

 

[John1]

The ONLY positive aspect in making it through the grand final would be that if she went on to perform between... let's say and , they'd stand out much more than ever.

 

[mauve]

The ONLY positive aspect in making it through the grand final would be that if she went on to perform between... let's say and , they'd stand out much more than ever.

France would say:"Please have Mercy!"