Russia RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova - I Won't Break

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

You do not get the success story of Russia? Well, let me put this way. Think of Russia in 1991. Then remember how it was in 2001. And then think how it is today. When you look at this relatively short period of time, 27 years, you can notice one thing. Russia was in collapse in 1991. The situation was even worse in 2001, people were running from Russia. But only in 17 years, one man with his team changed the country by pulling the nation together, modernizing it, investing money in various projects etc. Corruption is being persecuted, interracial crime, religious hatred are basically non-existent today (Russia has more than 20 millions of Muslims!).
So, all this has been achieved in 17 years! Now, as for your comparison to Sweden and your standard of living, well, let me say that the difference in standard of living is not surprising if you consider the fact that Sweden was not in war for more than a century, if you consider that your country did not undergo any fundamental transformation of society, and if you consider that your country until very recently was ethnically and religiously homogenous. Taking all these advantages into account, it would be really embarassing for you and your country if you lived in worse conditions than Russians do, even though they are doing their best for last 17 years to improve things. Besides, do not forget, Russia is faced with constant military threats (they have missile systems of NATO at their borders directed at them), and sanctions for four years. So, is present-day Russia a succes story? Well, for me, it definitively is.

You're deluding yourself here, Russia's economy has stalled lately, the middle class is not growing anymore, the economical inequality is huge and corruption is still a major issue. In what way is corruption persecuted? The only difference from the 90's in terms of corruption is that Putin is hunting down those oligarchs that threaten him and his allies economically or politically, but as far as general corruption in the country goes he couldn't care less, and the country is still ranked amongst the worst in the world when it comes to corruption. Russia has a non-diversified economy, the main incomes are from gas and oil and due to corruption, bad institutions and lack of incentives, it didn't really develop to create a diverse economy. Yes, the country has grown economically since the messy 90's for sure, but so did many former communist countries, but the country is not this huge "success story" as you try to point out here, but I guess it's all relative. If you want a success story, you can look at South Korea for instance, but that's another story...

No "ethnic or religious hatred"? What are you smoking? It's a country which had terrorist attacks, where Asians and Black people have been physically attacked, where gays are being openly persecuted... what are you even on about?

Wait, you mean Russia, the country that attacks smaller and poorer neighbors and occupies territories of those in an attempt to restore the Russian empire, is this "poor victim of constant military threats"? Yeah right...

 

[Yoozek]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

 

[JonnyWest]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Can we please start talking about music and have this conversation in the politics thread?

 

[henhu]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Her artist name seems to be Julia (not Yulia) Samoylova. https://eurovision.tv/participant/Julia-samoylova

 

[A-lister]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Have you read my previous comment and my critique of French entry this year? Well, if you are right, then I must say that French goverment is obviously also involved in their ESC project in order to "improve" their public image, while informed people know that French are directly responsible for many miseries in this world. That is why, their entry is singing about "refugees", in order to misdirect our attention to consequence, not the origin of the problem. Besides, weren't Swedes those who were writing peace and love songs for those horrible dictatorship states like Russia and Azerbaijan? So, I could say that this is also very hypocritical from you and your country that you are criticizing Russia and similar countries on the one hand, while at the same time you are selling them songs to advance their "propaganda". Is Sweden directly involved with Kremlin? I bet you are.

I can't speak about France, but French is not some lingua franca so not sure many people will get the message anyways

I didn't know the Swedish government were involved in writing generic Pop songs for ESC However what I do know is that Swedish songwriters are alot involved, and it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone considering we are one of the largest music exporters in the world and many Swedish songwriters/producers have been doing world hits for some decades now. Sorry to break it to you, but they don't work for the state

I wish though that countries would stop import entries generally, because it kills musical diversity in ESC

 

[Scooby]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I completely disagree with you, QwaarJet. Namely, if this were so, I shouldn't be listening to any American, British, or French singer at all, since the majority of them support their politicians who are directly responsible for many horrors that are happening far away from public eyes in "some distant" Africa, Yemen etc. In fact, let me give you an example to make my point clearer. I have recently graded songs in our forum here, and I gave 10 points to France. I did this because of the great music and overall package that this song surely is. However, as I already mentioned to my dear friend, tuorem, I find the lyrics of the French song and its message straighforwardly cringe-worthy, hypocritical, and utmost ridiculous. Are you asking yourself, why? Well, go and google France + colonial tax + Africa. When you inform youself about how France even nowadays still exploits its ex-colonies even 50 years after they had been "freed", you will understand that France and the French people are directly responsible for the misery, hunger, and political instability in many African countries, which are simulatenously the main reason why the African people undertake the dangerous road to Europe as refugees. So, what do you say about the French entry now? Will you condemn it as hypocritical like Polina was accused when she was singing about peace? Will you stop listening to French musicians who do not stand up against the French goverments, past and present, and condemn them?
Well, I hope I've made my point clear. Politics of a nation and singer's personal political opinions should not be used as an excuse for hatred, ridicule, belitteling of a singer or a member of that nation nor of the nation as a whole. Cuz if we are going to judge people collectively or based on their political convictions, well, then we wouldn't be speaking right now, would we? Think only about those Yemeni children that UK is helping Saudi Arabia to starve to death. Surely their "storms don't last forever", but their hunger does.
So, if I may sum up, I strongly disagree with you and your opinion that singer's beliefs are important in ESC. Especially political. Even if some singer in the past said horrible things, we all make mistakes in life, don't we? So, isn't he/she, be singer or simple mortal, entitled to get a second chance? Finally, when I read posts of some commentators here about Russia, Putin, Russian representatives in ESC, Russian individuals, Russians as nations, I simply cannot forget that I am a Slavic too. And if someone has so much disrespect for Russians, I can only wonder how much and what kind of hatred would you direct at me, if I personally did something or someone who is a member of my nation what you would disapprove? It's scarry you know, and highly disturbing.

Bravo

 

[Mrm]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

[MENTION=4544]A-lister[/MENTION]

How many trashy entries from various countries, fake ethno you liked/loved and they were in fuckin' English!

 

[Carian]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Can we please start talking about music and have this conversation in the politics thread?

I would be glad to have a chat about Russian music ALONE, but every time someone comes along and drops a line that very openly and in a disturbing way involves politics. I've only asked some of those commentators what they have against Russia and Russians. And see what happened?!?! A series of political comments actually make some of my points very valid. When it comes to Russia's entry, it is never about music. It is all about politics. So, let's talk music. You are right indeed.

 

[Scooby]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

It's a country which had terrorist attacks, where Asians and Black people have been physically attacked, where gays are being openly persecuted... what are you even on about?

Wait, you mean Russia, the country that attacks smaller and poorer neighbors and occupies territories of those in an attempt to restore the Russian empire, is this "poor victim of constant military threats"? Yeah right...

This guy is funnier than Kamil Show in Armenia.

 

[Carian]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I can't speak about France, but French is not some lingua franca so not sure many people will get the message anyways

I didn't know the Swedish government were involved in writing generic Pop songs for ESC However what I do know is that Swedish songwriters are alot involved, and it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone considering we are one of the largest music exporters in the world and many Swedish songwriters/producers have been doing world hits for some decades now. Sorry to break it to you, but they don't work for the state

I wish though that countries would stop import entries generally, because it kills musical diversity in ESC

Listen, A-lister, you are a believer and I am a believer. We disagree obviously, and no matter what I say to you, you won't "convert", neither will I. But one last addition to our discussion, I was making really really bad joke when I said that Sweden was directly involved in spreading the "Russian propaganda with peace songs". As you do not believe this, neither do I. But for different reasons. I made this comment only after I followed your line of reasoning. Obviously, you did not get the pun/irony of my comment. What I wanted to say was: "I don't buy these conspiracy theories!" That is all. Have a nice day/evening.

 

[Chorizo]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I wonder why Yulia didn't join the #PutinTeam. Is she too bad of a singer for Putin?

 

[Mrm]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I wonder why Yulia didn't join the #PutinTeam. Is she too bad of a singer for Putin?

Why you make provocation now?

she didn't join, her business.. :?

 

[John1]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Can we please start talking about music and have this conversation in the politics thread?

I do agree with you on this. I can't bear it any longer, as the whole conversations are all about politics and dealing with this awful political situation going on in Russia. This thread is made for people who want to talk about the Russian entrant, its entry and some euro-dramas regarding Russia in the ESC.

Although I'd be quite delighted to directly refer to my political ideas, beliefs and whatever, but this doesn't fit with the main purpose of this forum. I do get it, and everyone else should figure out that they shouldn't do so as well.

There are some rules to comply with, and it seems that they aren't followed by everyone over there. Still, I don't care about how many posts these people will write down, only dealing with political issues, but they have to stop at once. This is getting really annoying.

 

[Scooby]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

He is not believer, how blind man can be believer? But, [MENTION=14374]Carian[/MENTION] you are lucky man cuz all others are usually Kremlin agents hired by Putin personally to spread Russian propaganda.

Yulia Samoylova 008 and Carian 009

 

[Carian]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

He is not believer, how blind man can be believer? But, [MENTION=14374]Carian[/MENTION] you are lucky man cuz all others are usually Kremlin agents hired by Putin personally to spread Russian propaganda.

Yulia Samoylova 008 and Carian 009

So, where is my pay-check? Damn, I need money. I am really dumb. Everyone else is doing this for money, am I the only 009 that is doing propaganda for free???

No wonder I am a "Janezek" (a Serbian way of making fun of a Slovenian, for those who do not understand the joke).

 

[Scooby]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

So, where is my pay-check? Damn, I need money. I am really dumb. Everyone else is doing this for money, am I the only 009 that is doing propaganda for free???

No wonder I am a "Janezek" (a Serbian way of making fun of a Slovenian, for those who do not understand the joke).

You pay-check is waiting for you in our bank, Sberbank

Janez iz Dežele

 

[Yoozek]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I wonder why Yulia didn't join the #PutinTeam. Is she too bad of a singer for Putin?

Maybe they wanted her to... you know... stand up for him.

I can't bear it any longer, as the whole conversations are all about politics (...) This is getting really annoying.

Funny how there's almost always A-lister involved, isn't it.

 

[John1]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

Maybe they wanted her to... you know... stand up for him.

To be honest, I genuinely think that she hasn't any reasons to fiercely stand up against him since he's the only one, who stands a chance to be elected. Everyone is totally aware of the fact that his opponent is... somehow ridiculous and untrustworthy, no matter how hard she's trying to beat Putin. He's been leading all of the polls for a while.

 

[Yoozek]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

To be honest, I genuinely think that she hasn't any reasons to fiercely stand up against him since he's the only one, who stands a chance to be elected. Everyone is totally aware of the fact that his opponent is... somehow ridiculous and untrustworthy, no matter how hard she's trying to beat Putin. He's been leading all of the polls for a while.

Oh, I thought I made a funny joke. Julia + STAND up. Guess in Polish it sounds much better

 

[GermanBango]

Re: RUSSIA 2018 - Yulia Samoylova

I'm sure it's gonna be a song about love and peace. How about "A million nuclear missiles" ?