ROMANIA 2013 - Cezar - It's my life

[BrokenPocketwatch]

There is no entry I hate more then Mandinga's from the ones that have represented Romania. I even muted it (partially) when it was their turn to perform in the semi and the final. Though, to be fair, the only part which was truly cringe-worthy (for me) was the refrain, I simply couldn't stand it at all. That's the worst entry we've ever submitted as far as I'm concerned and the only good thing I can say about it is that the song that came second in the national selection was at least a few hundred times worse >.>.

Hotel FM was a lot more listenable/radio-friendly but, looking back, it was somewhat bland ^^;.

I don't listed to "It's my life" but it, at the very least, didn't make me want to mute it >.>.

At the end of the day tastes and preferences differ from person to person and that's just simply how it will always be.

As for Cezar himself, I don't know what he's like, sometimes people say things they don't mean (such as swearing or "wishing" someone ill will in a fit of anger, saying that life's not worth living when depressed, etc.) and other times they put on an act in front of others,etc., so, personally, I would never say that I know a person purely by reading/hearing a few interviews (especially when there's the possibility that some things were left out from the text).

The guy had higher expectations placing-wise then he received so I guess he'd say one or two things he wouldn't truly mean but that's just about it >.>. As for why he considered himself a favorite, well, who knows what forums he frequented or what he could have heard or been told to be given that impression >.>.

 

[Eurovisionified]

 

[Matt]

The one thing I'll always remember about Cezar is that this guy loves to talk but I don't mean that in a negative way. It's always appreciated when an artist gives elaborate dancers rather than a rehearsed answer. When we asked him about what it takes to become a counter tenor he gave us a lengthy answer and was very passionate about it. the guy has a lot of charisma and whether or not you like his song, I sure appreciate him as a person.

That being said, 13th? But that's how it goes now was it the televoters or juries doing??? (maybe both)

 

[RainyWoods]

The one thing I'll always remember about Cezar is that this guy loves to talk but I don't mean that in a negative way. It's always appreciated when an artist gives elaborate dancers rather than a rehearsed answer. When we asked him about what it takes to become a counter tenor he gave us a lengthy answer and was very passionate about it. the guy has a lot of charisma and whether or not you like his song, I sure appreciate him as a person.

That being said, 13th? But that's how it goes now was it the televoters or juries doing??? (maybe both)

I think he was more lengthy and passionate about my question asking whether the activities we see him get up to in the video were part of his typical life He answers with a very honest "yes" and then goes about explaining himself for about two minutes2

He was absolutely brilliant. Very articulate in all the videos i've seen of him and actually a very down to earth guy he seemed. He delivered my favourite performance of the year.. more so than even Valentina and Aliona and they take some beating

 

[Mozz]

As has just turned out, 1 in 4 Italian televoters (yes 1 in 4) voted for and it was their obvious 12 pointer:

http://www.rai.it/dl/docs/1369047035941EUROVISION_2013_risultati_TELEVOTO.pdf

But the Italian jury has totally brought that down. The net result is a very meager 1 point for . Something is not right here; the juries are disproportionately powerful in the new system, or am I missing something?

 

[Yamarus]

But the Italian jury has totally brought that down. The net result is a very meager 1 point for . Something is not right here; the juries are disproportionately powerful in the new system, or am I missing something?

It also goes the other way though. I'm sure NL was very high on jury votes everywhere.

 

[CypriotGirl]

 

[Mozz]

It also goes the other way though. I'm sure NL was very high on jury votes everywhere.

You're assuming that I should be happy with that. But I would be happier if the balance between the jury vote and the televote was fairer. To me, the current system seems unfairly balanced. The voice of 'the people' can go lost.

Those 23.2% of Italian televotes (that cost them money) have no use if the jury (consisting of just a few persons) put the televotes #1 at place #25 or 26 in their ranking. I plea for a middle of the road solution: not a ranking of 12 places or 26 places, but 16-17.

 

[malta]

sorry but I hated this song

 

[ParadiseES]

You're assuming that I should be happy with that. But I would be happier if the balance between the jury vote and the televote was fairer. To me, the current system seems unfairly balanced. The voice of 'the people' can go lost.

Those 23.2% of Italian televotes (that cost them money) have no use if the jury (consisting of just a few persons) put the televotes #1 at place #25 or 26 in their ranking. I plea for a middle of the road solution: not a ranking of 12 places or 26 places, but 16-17.

But the new system was implemented just for this, to avoid X communities voting like crazy for the X country. Italian and Spanish televoting proved this worked so well.

 

[Mozz]

But the new system was implemented just for this, to avoid X communities voting like crazy for the X country. Italian and Spanish televoting proved this worked so well.

I understand that you're pointing at an advantage. But it has an unwanted side effect as well, obviously. A very unwanted one.

 

[ParadiseES]

I understand that you're pointing at an advantage. But it has an unwanted side effect as well, obviously. A very unwanted one.

I see nothing wrong here. And I think this is only happening with diaspora and maybe some joke songs that people love and juries hate. But in 90% of cases, the results will not be so different.

 

[Mozz]

I see nothing wrong here. And I think this is only happening with diaspora and maybe some joke songs that people love and juries hate. But in 90% of cases, the results will not be so different.

How do you know that?

We're talking about just the Italian votes for Romania here, but there are many ESC countries. If this same thing has happened in just a few more countries, the Romanian entry could have 'lost' so many points compared to a fairer, more balanced system where it could've gotten a top 10 result.

FYI: I despise the Romanian song.

 

[ParadiseES]

How do you know that?

We're talking about just the Italian votes for Romania here, but there are many ESC countries. If this same thing has happened in just a few more countries, the Romanian entry could have 'lost' so many points compared to a fairer, more balanced system where it could've gotten a top 10 result.

FYI: I despise the Romanian song.

Because in the last years, the differences between jury and televoting were not so big, with only few exceptions every year. And because televoting faves (except for diaspora voting and neighbours) are usually the stronger songs everywhere, and juries don't usually go against the strongest songs unless the performance is so bad (at least they don't bash them).

 

[Scooby]

Even i cant stand this song this superpowerful jury is just not fair. I mean like it or not ppl voted for this song, massively voted and its not fair that jury canceled their votes. At least all that votes was paid, so u can voted but we will not count ur votes if we dont like it. Its just not fair.

Whats happened with democracy and rights for free choice?

 

[ParadiseES]

^
Come on, ESC is not democratic and never was. If it was democratic it would be 1 person 1 vote, and many other things

 

[Smudy]

^
Come on, ESC is not democratic and never was. If it was democratic it would be 1 person 1 vote, and many other things

It was still more democratic when juries were not there.

 

[Scooby]

^
Come on, ESC is not democratic and never was. If it was democratic it would be 1 person 1 vote, and many other things

But what is the purpose of televoting than? Romanian diaspora in Italy is third row citizens and their votes are not valid?

One person one vote and problem is solved!

 

[Centrix]

But the new system was implemented just for this, to avoid X communities voting like crazy for the X country. Italian and Spanish televoting proved this worked so well.

Or the new system was implemented just for helping a mafia who always had problems with the televotes. The televoting has no sense in this case, they just steal people's money and don't give a **** for their opinion. I can understand the frustation of Spain to give always 12 points to Romania, but is fair to give zero points to the song that win the teleoting? And I'm thinking that Cezar was 13th, not 25th... it means that was not a song for last place at jury only if that jury has nothing to do with music and had other things to do there than to make an objective judgement of the entries. This is a shame for Spain, not for Romania... along with their last place, another proof that Eurovision is not fair is your presence this year in the final even if you pay for this place. And I guess you use even the money of Romanians who vote in Eurovision... for nothing.

 

[RainyWoods]

As has just turned out, 1 in 4 Italian televoters (yes 1 in 4) voted for and it was their obvious 12 pointer:

http://www.rai.it/dl/docs/1369047035941EUROVISION_2013_risultati_TELEVOTO.pdf

But the Italian jury has totally brought that down. The net result is a very meager 1 point for . Something is not right here; the juries are disproportionately powerful in the new system, or am I missing something?

Yeah I don't like this system. It takes away the publics power. I have this feeling that Cezar was probably top 5 with the voting public. Someone the public voted full marks for should never only end up with a 1 point.

I'm pretty darn certain the UK awarded points (and probably high points) to Norway and Germany.. yet we give them 0 and Russia 10 points.. and we have literally a bunch of 70 year olds in the jury. A bit unfair really the power they had with this system to completely wreck someone.