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Portugal PORTUGAL 2025 - Napa - Deslocado
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NemesisNick
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This evening I watched the Portuguese national final for the Eurovision Song Contest 2025, Festival da Canção 2025 Final, on demand, online from the UK, having missed it last night. Please note that a) I didn’t preview any of the songs or look at their lyrics beforehand, so my on demand viewing tonight was my first time of seeing / hearing them, b) since I hadn’t seen the lyrics, I had difficulty identifying song parts in some cases, and c) since the show ended last night, I managed to avoid accidentally seeing the results anywhere online, so whilst watching the show, didn't know the scores until they were unveiled near the end, and thusI was able to judge the songs, and rank them in My Eurovision Scoreboard, as if I’d been watching live last night.
Anyway, the winner is Napa "Deslocado". One could say this was a compromise winner, because this entry finished 4th in the regional jury vote and 2nd in the public vote. The combined score of 17 put Napa in a tie with Diana Vilarinho "Cotovia", but won outright due to having more televote points than Diana Vilarinho.
Congratulations to Napa for winning Festival da Canção 2025. So Napa will represent Portugal with "Deslocado" at the Eurovision Song Contest 2025 in Basel in May. Portugal is drawn to perform in the first half of the First Semi-Final on Tuesday 13 May 2025. I won’t be able to vote that evening, as the United Kingdom doesn’t vote that evening. Good luck to Napa in the Eurovision Song Contest 2025 First Semi-Final, and in the Grand Final if they get there.
Well done also to the other eleven artists who performed tonight, no matter what their scores, and where they placed, in both halves of the voting and overall. In particular, well done to Diana Vilarinho, whose entry "Cotovia" won the jury vote, and to Henka, whose entry "I Wanna Destroy U" won the public vote. Remember, all of last night’s finalists did well to get past one of the Festival da Canção 2025 Semi-Finals the previous two Saturdays.
I must say, that at around three and a half hours, I thought Festival da Canção 2025 Final was a bit long for a national final that contained just 12 competing songs. Last night, Melodifestivalen 2025 Final also contained 12 competing finalist songs, yet SVT managed to keep that to just over two hours. Surely two and a half hours would have been ample for Festival da Canção 2025 Final.
As for the voting system. Why convert the total jury points from the 7 regions to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, and thus leave the bottom two with 0 points, to allow for a set of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12 to the public top ten? Wouldn't it be better to leave the jury totals alone? The 7 regional juries each give 58 points, so that's 406 jury points altogether. Calculate the public points for each of the 12 finalists as a percentage of 406 points. With that system, the result might have worked out differently.
Anyway, the winner is Napa "Deslocado". One could say this was a compromise winner, because this entry finished 4th in the regional jury vote and 2nd in the public vote. The combined score of 17 put Napa in a tie with Diana Vilarinho "Cotovia", but won outright due to having more televote points than Diana Vilarinho.
Congratulations to Napa for winning Festival da Canção 2025. So Napa will represent Portugal with "Deslocado" at the Eurovision Song Contest 2025 in Basel in May. Portugal is drawn to perform in the first half of the First Semi-Final on Tuesday 13 May 2025. I won’t be able to vote that evening, as the United Kingdom doesn’t vote that evening. Good luck to Napa in the Eurovision Song Contest 2025 First Semi-Final, and in the Grand Final if they get there.
Well done also to the other eleven artists who performed tonight, no matter what their scores, and where they placed, in both halves of the voting and overall. In particular, well done to Diana Vilarinho, whose entry "Cotovia" won the jury vote, and to Henka, whose entry "I Wanna Destroy U" won the public vote. Remember, all of last night’s finalists did well to get past one of the Festival da Canção 2025 Semi-Finals the previous two Saturdays.
I must say, that at around three and a half hours, I thought Festival da Canção 2025 Final was a bit long for a national final that contained just 12 competing songs. Last night, Melodifestivalen 2025 Final also contained 12 competing finalist songs, yet SVT managed to keep that to just over two hours. Surely two and a half hours would have been ample for Festival da Canção 2025 Final.
As for the voting system. Why convert the total jury points from the 7 regions to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, and thus leave the bottom two with 0 points, to allow for a set of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12 to the public top ten? Wouldn't it be better to leave the jury totals alone? The 7 regional juries each give 58 points, so that's 406 jury points altogether. Calculate the public points for each of the 12 finalists as a percentage of 406 points. With that system, the result might have worked out differently.
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I get why people are mad but honestly?
It breathes some much needed refreshing air in what is quite a loud and patchy, and dare I say a little desperate in some cases, selection of songs this year
It breathes some much needed refreshing air in what is quite a loud and patchy, and dare I say a little desperate in some cases, selection of songs this year
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After two days, I’ll share my thoughts on this.
NAPA’s victory doesn’t really bother me much. It’s a solid song, and it's definitely a grower. I can see it creating a nice atmosphere on stage and possibly making it to the final. I wouldn’t say they’re chanceless, but they’ll need to put in more work to stand out.
If they do make it to the final, I can see them having a result similar to The Black Mamba’s. Still, it’s too early to tell. Let’s wait and see what they come up with for the staging.
They’ll be working on that today, and it’s worth noting that Daniel Mota (the visual director who worked with the Portuguese delegation for The Black Mamba, Maro, and Mimicat) has shown some love for the song and is talking about it on social media. Is there a chance he could return this year, especially after his absence last year?
On another note, I think people should tone down the excessive hate. It’s crazy how much negativity there is, and honestly, I don’t see a reason for it. That said, I do believe RTP should take another look at the jury voting system. I don’t think there’s any intentional sabotage of anyone, but there are some oddities, like some people are pointing out: Jessica Pina coming second overall, Fernando not receiving any points from a certain jury, or NAPA receiving the 12 points from Madeira with that statement from the spokesperson. It’s really hard to justify that.
It’s possible to maintain the authenticity of Festival da Canção while still making necessary changes to how things are done.
Also, I don’t understand why the jury members are required to come to a consensus. They always emphasize this, but why not just let each member vote individually and then convert it? It seems like a more transparent approach. I'm not sure if I am wrong here.
Good luck to NAPA. It's a solid 7 for me. I hope they can follow in The Black Mamba’s footsteps and make it all the way.
Hope Diana tries again one day.
NAPA’s victory doesn’t really bother me much. It’s a solid song, and it's definitely a grower. I can see it creating a nice atmosphere on stage and possibly making it to the final. I wouldn’t say they’re chanceless, but they’ll need to put in more work to stand out.
If they do make it to the final, I can see them having a result similar to The Black Mamba’s. Still, it’s too early to tell. Let’s wait and see what they come up with for the staging.
They’ll be working on that today, and it’s worth noting that Daniel Mota (the visual director who worked with the Portuguese delegation for The Black Mamba, Maro, and Mimicat) has shown some love for the song and is talking about it on social media. Is there a chance he could return this year, especially after his absence last year?
On another note, I think people should tone down the excessive hate. It’s crazy how much negativity there is, and honestly, I don’t see a reason for it. That said, I do believe RTP should take another look at the jury voting system. I don’t think there’s any intentional sabotage of anyone, but there are some oddities, like some people are pointing out: Jessica Pina coming second overall, Fernando not receiving any points from a certain jury, or NAPA receiving the 12 points from Madeira with that statement from the spokesperson. It’s really hard to justify that.
It’s possible to maintain the authenticity of Festival da Canção while still making necessary changes to how things are done.
Also, I don’t understand why the jury members are required to come to a consensus. They always emphasize this, but why not just let each member vote individually and then convert it? It seems like a more transparent approach. I'm not sure if I am wrong here.
Good luck to NAPA. It's a solid 7 for me. I hope they can follow in The Black Mamba’s footsteps and make it all the way.
Hope Diana tries again one day.
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goncalovieira
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With the system used by Sweden or Norway, Henka would be our winner.
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I didn't check on the alternative and I have to say I love this song. It reminds me of some of the happy-go-lucky songs by some of the indie groups I listened to in the late 00s like Arctic Monkeys, Maná or even Incubus.
I can see Portugal being high on the boards again just for sticking to their thing and providing a really good, handmade song that is just a pleasure to listen to. Plus the singer is nice to look at
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I can see Portugal being high on the boards again just for sticking to their thing and providing a really good, handmade song that is just a pleasure to listen to. Plus the singer is nice to look at
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The full results are so unhinged. All this time talking about how Josh was a fan-favorite when he was a borderline Q. Another proof that our people will simply vote in whatever they feel like and unaware about odds.
I'm not even a die hard supporter of Henka's song but what justification can you give of putting it in 11th out of 12 with such a staggering popular vote besides genre bias? It's a good time to rethink this detached system starting with the regional jury which leads to each one simply voting for the person who wears the same shirt as them like a football game.
I'm not even a die hard supporter of Henka's song but what justification can you give of putting it in 11th out of 12 with such a staggering popular vote besides genre bias? It's a good time to rethink this detached system starting with the regional jury which leads to each one simply voting for the person who wears the same shirt as them like a football game.
Decayingbooks
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RTP just released the results of the nf:
(images taken from escportugal)
(images taken from escportugal)
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Uuuuuuuugh. That televote difference between Diana and Bombazine. 5.91% to 5.98%.... how many votes even are that? Just 0.07%... and if Diana would have gotten those 0.07% more, she would have gotten 6 points from the televote, 18 overall - and she would have won.RTP just released the results of the nf:
(images taken from escportugal)
Now I'm depeessed...
Decayingbooks
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With RTP revealing the % of the televote is is possible to calculate how the results would have been if the televote points where proportional to how people voted rather than just adding the top 10 of the judges to the top 10 of the televote.
| Song | Judges | % Televote | Televote | Total | Position | Change |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Henka - I Wanna Destroy U | 18 | 29,83% | 121 | 139 | 01 | 3 |
| Napa - Deslocado | 38 | 21,14% | 86 | 124 | 02 | -1 |
| Fernando Daniel - Medo | 42 | 15,57% | 63 | 105 | 03 | = |
| Diana Vilarinho - Cotovia | 57 | 5,91% | 24 | 81 | 04 | -2 |
| Josh - Tristeza | 34 | 8,74% | 36 | 70 | 05 | = |
| Jéssica Pina - Calafrio | 52 | 2,19% | 9 | 61 | 06 | = |
| Bombazine - Apago Tudo | 27 | 5,98% | 24 | 51 | 07 | = |
| Marco Rodrigues - A Minha Casa | 28 | 3,24% | 13 | 41 | 08 | = |
| Margarida Campelo - Eu Sei Que o Amor | 37 | 1,00% | 4 | 41 | 09 | = |
| Emmy Curl - Rapsódia da Paz | 31 | 1,80% | 7 | 38 | 10 | 1 |
| Peculiar - Adamastor | 26 | 2,78% | 11 | 37 | 11 | -1 |
| Bluay - Ninguém | 16 | 1,82% | 8 | 24 | 12 | = |
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Nearly 30% of the televote, between 12 acts. And nobody even got close. Metalheads are really something else.
Henka was not my favorite, but I would have still prefered her over NAPA... and that big televote lead should mean something. She would have been our only metal act this year too - so pretty sure she would have done well with the televote at Eurovision.
Henka was not my favorite, but I would have still prefered her over NAPA... and that big televote lead should mean something. She would have been our only metal act this year too - so pretty sure she would have done well with the televote at Eurovision.
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I know it's slightly less important, but that first semi was an absolute bloodbath, dang.
Decayingbooks
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RTP last saturday revealed that they've received over 95k calls, considering that we have the percentages we can extrapolate an approximation of how many calls each artist got:
| Song | % Televote | Televote |
|---|---|---|
| Henka - I Wanna Destroy U | 29,83% | 28 338 |
| Napa - Deslocado | 21,14% | 20 083 |
| Fernando Daniel - Medo | 15,57% | 14 791 |
| Josh - Tristeza | 8,74% | 8303 |
| Bombazine - Apago Tudo | 5,98% | 5681 |
| Diana Vilarinho - Cotovia | 5,91% | 5615 |
| Marco Rodrigues - A Minha Casa | 3,24% | 3078 |
| Peculiar - Adamastor | 2,78% | 2641 |
| Jéssica Pina - Calafrio | 2,19% | 2081 |
| Bluay - Ninguém | 1,82% | 1729 |
| Emmy Curl - Rapsódia da Paz | 1,80% | 1710 |
| Margarida Campelo - Eu Sei Que o Amor | 1,00% | 950 |
Decayingbooks
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I also hope that things will change in the next year, but the judges also need to start taking how a song looks on tv into consideration and people should be rewarded for having a eurovision-ready concepts and stagings, but that would required RTP to have guidelines on what they should value in each contestant and I have serious doubts that they just invite the judges to vote and they vote based on what they liked and that's that... This year there was an obvious lack of criteria from the judges and it feels that most voted based on vibes.
JSSArcos
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Napa are in 1st place in Spotify's top 50 in Portugal, with 98 thousand listens. 
This went ahead of any funk music, as far as I remember, this is historic in fdc. They are the ones who had the most engagement and it will be the music that will have the longest life outside the festival.
Josh was a flop, and I don’t quite understand why. Things didn’t go well live—possibly, if he hadn’t held onto a “mast,” his voice would have come out better.
Either way, the fandom’s vote didn’t count for much this year.
There’s alternative voting in Portugal—Henka achieved an excellent result. It’s certainly the most-voted song in the festival’s history and won with the highest percentage! Henka should return
Diana would have won in a weaker year (as long as Josh wasn’t there).
The jury from the mainland that gave 0 points to Napa also voted intentionally, just as Madeira scored Josh and FD low. There were no real voting criteria—there was favoritism towards local artists, and the voting was aimed at eliminating the favorites.
In 2017, we did the same thing for Salvador to win—we didn’t vote for Italy, we didn’t vote for Bulgaria. Bulgaria and Italy also tried to sink "Portugal" in 2017. And we can talk about other cases out there
Unfortunately, sometimes the jury fails to be impartial. And honestly, apart from the jury from the North, I think most of the rest was influenced by other factors rather than the actual performances. Or maybe things just sounded really bad live.
The vote isn’t based on Eurovision potential—this year, it wasn’t. That’s questionable, but well…
Putting anger aside, the festival was a success in terms of audience, and even the proposal for a partnership with Spotify reflects that. Napa was undoubtedly the act that generated the most engagement and moved the country—both for good and bad reasons. It was the year with the most votes and the highest quality.
It also became clear that something needs to change. The risk was always there; it’s just that in recent years, the fandom’s winner also won the competition. There needs to be a collective effort from the fandom to show RTP that real changes are necessary.
Napa has the potential to either finish last in the semi-final or fight for a Top 15 spot. It all depends on the staging. Honestly, I don’t think it will go beyond the semi-final, but well… we’ll see.
This went ahead of any funk music, as far as I remember, this is historic in fdc. They are the ones who had the most engagement and it will be the music that will have the longest life outside the festival.
Josh was a flop, and I don’t quite understand why. Things didn’t go well live—possibly, if he hadn’t held onto a “mast,” his voice would have come out better.
Either way, the fandom’s vote didn’t count for much this year.
There’s alternative voting in Portugal—Henka achieved an excellent result. It’s certainly the most-voted song in the festival’s history and won with the highest percentage! Henka should return
Diana would have won in a weaker year (as long as Josh wasn’t there).
The jury from the mainland that gave 0 points to Napa also voted intentionally, just as Madeira scored Josh and FD low. There were no real voting criteria—there was favoritism towards local artists, and the voting was aimed at eliminating the favorites.
In 2017, we did the same thing for Salvador to win—we didn’t vote for Italy, we didn’t vote for Bulgaria. Bulgaria and Italy also tried to sink "Portugal" in 2017. And we can talk about other cases out there
Unfortunately, sometimes the jury fails to be impartial. And honestly, apart from the jury from the North, I think most of the rest was influenced by other factors rather than the actual performances. Or maybe things just sounded really bad live.
The vote isn’t based on Eurovision potential—this year, it wasn’t. That’s questionable, but well…
Putting anger aside, the festival was a success in terms of audience, and even the proposal for a partnership with Spotify reflects that. Napa was undoubtedly the act that generated the most engagement and moved the country—both for good and bad reasons. It was the year with the most votes and the highest quality.
It also became clear that something needs to change. The risk was always there; it’s just that in recent years, the fandom’s winner also won the competition. There needs to be a collective effort from the fandom to show RTP that real changes are necessary.
Napa has the potential to either finish last in the semi-final or fight for a Top 15 spot. It all depends on the staging. Honestly, I don’t think it will go beyond the semi-final, but well… we’ll see.
goncalovieira
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They need to bring the message of the song to the stage. The song itself is a success for internal level. These numbers are coming from all over the country, so it means people like it. However, for those who matter, it sounds bland and apart from everything.Napa are in 1st place in Spotify's top 50 in Portugal, with 98 thousand listens.
This went ahead of any funk music, as far as I remember, this is historic in fdc. They are the ones who had the most engagement and it will be the music that will have the longest life outside the festival.
Josh was a flop, and I don’t quite understand why. Things didn’t go well live—possibly, if he hadn’t held onto a “mast,” his voice would have come out better.
Either way, the fandom’s vote didn’t count for much this year.
There’s alternative voting in Portugal—Henka achieved an excellent result. It’s certainly the most-voted song in the festival’s history and won with the highest percentage! Henka should return
Diana would have won in a weaker year (as long as Josh wasn’t there).
The jury from the mainland that gave 0 points to Napa also voted intentionally, just as Madeira scored Josh and FD low. There were no real voting criteria—there was favoritism towards local artists, and the voting was aimed at eliminating the favorites.
In 2017, we did the same thing for Salvador to win—we didn’t vote for Italy, we didn’t vote for Bulgaria. Bulgaria and Italy also tried to sink "Portugal" in 2017. And we can talk about other cases out there
Unfortunately, sometimes the jury fails to be impartial. And honestly, apart from the jury from the North, I think most of the rest was influenced by other factors rather than the actual performances. Or maybe things just sounded really bad live.
The vote isn’t based on Eurovision potential—this year, it wasn’t. That’s questionable, but well…
Putting anger aside, the festival was a success in terms of audience, and even the proposal for a partnership with Spotify reflects that. Napa was undoubtedly the act that generated the most engagement and moved the country—both for good and bad reasons. It was the year with the most votes and the highest quality.
It also became clear that something needs to change. The risk was always there; it’s just that in recent years, the fandom’s winner also won the competition. There needs to be a collective effort from the fandom to show RTP that real changes are necessary.
Napa has the potential to either finish last in the semi-final or fight for a Top 15 spot. It all depends on the staging. Honestly, I don’t think it will go beyond the semi-final, but well… we’ll see.
Do you think will be possible to take more than 40/50 points with them? I do not.
So... sunday I've made a complain to the Provedoria da RTP about the bias of the juries regarding the performers and the musical styles (yes, I was that salty) and I got this reply:
"Agradeço a sua mensagem. Estou a preparar um programa Voz do Cidadão sobre o Festival da Canção, no qual ouvirei o responsável pela organização do mesmo. As questões que me são colocadas pelos telespectadores serão então respondidas."
Translation: Thank you for your message. I am preparing a Voz do Cidadão program about the Festival da Canção, in which I will interview the person responsible for its organization. The questions raised by the viewers will then be answered.
They probably got a lot of complains.
"Agradeço a sua mensagem. Estou a preparar um programa Voz do Cidadão sobre o Festival da Canção, no qual ouvirei o responsável pela organização do mesmo. As questões que me são colocadas pelos telespectadores serão então respondidas."
Translation: Thank you for your message. I am preparing a Voz do Cidadão program about the Festival da Canção, in which I will interview the person responsible for its organization. The questions raised by the viewers will then be answered.
They probably got a lot of complains.
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I also sent it. Still just this morning
JSSArcos
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If the staging is strong and conveys the message, this could be one of the most voted entries in the televote (2020-24). (We can't really say that Iolanda, Mimicat, or The Black Mamba excelled in this aspect…)
Televoting has always been our weakness, but there is real potential here. If this were staged by Sweden, haha…
I have many doubts about what they might do. I even sent a message to Napa with some ideas (something I’ve never done before), but I feel they might need some support. Portuguese Eurofans can be cruel sometimes.
Saturday I was really upset, but at the moment I'm supporting them.