NSC 227, final results from 21 cet onwards, live from sclan

[Otto]

Right. The difference between Moscow and Europe is 2 hours. And since I'm from Kaliningrad, the difference is 1 hour. 1 hour AHEAD.

23-59 CET = 0:59 My time = 1:59 MSC

I voted 8 minutes ahead of DL

Kaliningrad time is the same as CET right now. I am sorry for your confusion.

 

[apasionata]

Ah, this is where your confusion is coming from. Kaliningrad time is the same as CET right now, because Europe moves their clocks 1 hour forward in spring but Russia does not.

Can’t wait for European Pariament to abolish this horrendous clock change altogether. My body clock is still adapting to the change 3 weeks after ffs

 

[Buranovskiy]

Ah, this is where your confusion is coming from. Kaliningrad time is the same as CET right now, because Europe moves their clocks 1 hour forward in spring but Russia does not.

I'm shattered. Because I didn't take into account daylight saving time.

 

[Buranovskiy]

Kaliningrad time is the same as CET right now. I am sorry for your confusion.

Congratulations.

 

[theditz83]

Mess. I dunno what on earth is going down, but that's a shame if Xochimilia has missed out because of this, late or not. Connor's glorious return to the pinnacle of NSC though is divine...

However, all of this subtle (or not-so-subtle in some cases) sniping, bitterness and just general nonsensical drama just continues to reinforce my general feeling whenever NSC enters my brain right now...

I'm pretty much checked out by this stage. I'm too old and too tired to be around all this rubbish. Nothing against anyone who still enjoys NSC, but when something that's a casual past-time which you're meant to enjoy and look forward to becomes a drain and a chore (most of the songs this edition just weren't enjoyable for me at all), it's likely a sign that you should consider packing it in.

So yeah, might be time to call it a day in the main NSC contest. Will see how I feel in the coming weeks.

Well done all, and thanks again for everyone that supported Moisantia this edition.

 

[Buranovskiy]

I can understand if I had voted much later. But because of the confusion with daylight saving time, it turned out what it turned out to be. Everything was done in good faith on my part. And the organizer could show loyalty.

 

[Uto]

I can understand if I had voted much later. But because of the confusion with daylight saving time, it turned out what it turned out to be. Everything was done in good faith on my part.

If the advertised deadline was in CET you voted on time as CET never changes, it is just Europe starts using CEST, but that's a different timezone. If the advertised deadline was CEST it is up to you to see this I would say.

 

[Luki]

If the advertised deadline was in CET you voted on time as CET never changes, it is just Europe starts using CEST, but that's a different timezone. If the advertised deadline was CEST it is up to you to see this I would say.

Unfortunately, there is no rule saying that is obligatory, as to why the time change or summer time needs to be accentuated.

 

[Uto]

Unfortunately, there is no rule saying that is obligatory, as to why the time change or summer time needs to be accentuated.

There does not need to be a rule. The deadline has to be set at a certain time anyway and if this is left open to interpretation you can not run a contest properly. Shit like this can suddenly happen and the member voting should be given the benefit of the doubt if the doubt can be reasonably explained. Anything else would just be arbitrary.

 

[Luki]

There does not need to be a rule. The deadline has to be set at a certain time anyway and if this is left open to interpretation you can not run a contest properly. Shit like this can suddenly happen and the member voting should be given the benefit of the doubt if the doubt can be reasonably explained. Anything else would just be arbitrary.

Yes, and because it was left to interpretation the hosts deemed the votes late as there is no indication of Buranovskiy's location or time zone.

 

[Buranovskiy]

I thank everyone who gave their votes to my song!
This is a big step forward after a huge (for me) failure last season, when great expectations were not met.

We have already found out everything about the late voting. I was not intentionally 52 minutes late, sincerely believing that I still had 8 minutes left. Whether this can be made an exception and change something, I do not know.

 

[Uto]

Yes, and because it was left to interpretation the hosts deemed the votes late as there is no indication of Buranovskiy's location or time zone.

Which is arbitrary behavior as we should expect there to be people who live in various timezones. Add to this the fact that I see 'CET' being used throughout the hosting and at that point I feel the hosts are just not doing a proper job at all and the rest of NSC, being a witness to this all, should also have informed the hosts about the timezone inconsistency. But yeah, I dunno, it doesn't feel right what is happening here. If I was hosting and this shit happened I would just mea culpa and reinstate the votes.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

To be honest I think it's unhealthier for the contest to not let Xochimilia stand as the winner of the contest.

I think it's shortsighted to think that adhering strictly to the rules is healthier in this case.

Nobody really wins when a contest has a shadow left over it like this.

Congrats to Tamausia & Deltannor though, it's a great song. It's a shame it won under these circumstances...

 

[strajker]

what a mess. though going on a technicality CET vs CEST is still a legitimate issue.

WSN top 15:

It was one of the rarest finals where Im not relistening any songs really after the edition... Xochimilia is a bit stuck in my head.

12 89 Xochimila
10 85 Trollheimr
8 82 Södermalm
7 76 Sakuralia
6 75 Tamausia & Deltannor
5 72 Xhuhmaxhuxh
4 70 Yeto-Ya-Yeto
3 68 Ugaly
2 67 Konthena
1 66 Perryfornia
11th 65 Kordavian Islands
12th 64 Fierraria
13th 61 Moisantia
14th 60 Griffin Empire
15th 59 Denmark of Spears

 

[Otto]

Which is arbitrary behavior as we should expect there to be people who live in various timezones. Add to this the fact that I see 'CET' being used throughout the hosting and at that point I feel the hosts are just not doing a proper job at all and the rest of NSC, being a witness to this all, should also have informed the hosts about the timezone inconsistency. But yeah, I dunno, it doesn't feel right what is happening here. If I was hosting and this shit happened I would just mea culpa and reinstate the votes.

CET / CEST (whatever you wish to call it, its the same - one ceases to observed when the other is in place) is the main timezone for the majority of the players in this contest and it has always been understood that the deadline timezone is in CET. In fact, this is not my personal timezone, but in the elements of this hosting that I was responsible for, I still went by this timezone for the avoidance of confusion.

This is a personal mistake of the member behind the nation who failed to vote. This is not the fault of the hosts - who in fact, followed the rules of the contest, which are there to be followed. If the community has an issue with the rules, then a separate discussion should form. I'm concerned that the community, in particular @dogmeat with the support of the NSC moderators, are pointing the blame at the hosts of this edition.

 

[Looren]

@Luke I don't want to fully get into this and it might be an honest mistake of yours by forgetting or something so don't take this personnaly, but I think that the decent thing to do when you read a message of someone sending you their votes is to at least answer them to tell them if their votes were accepted or not

 

[Karhu]

CET / CEST (whatever you wish to call it, its the same - one ceases to observed when the other is in place) is the main timezone for the majority of the players in this contest and it has always been understood that the deadline timezone is in CET.

Unfortunately just about every source available contradicts this, as in this screenshot I took just now from www.timeanddate.com:

It should be noted that the reservations for this edition were opened before the European clock change, so it's even easier to understand that there could be confusion among NSC participants, especially when CET was incorrectly used in lieu of CEST in the shows. I think the only rightful thing is to accept Xochimilia's votes as well as those of any country that voted between 0:00 CEST and 0:59 CEST. #freexochimilia

 

[strajker]

After thinking a bit on this matter, it is really hard to say what is right and what is wrong here, while it is universally accepted here that CET is CEST during DST, for a person that lives in CET timezone that does not observe DST, this is not necessarily the case. Google autocorrecting your CET search to CEST for user convenience rather than punctuality is not in accordance with how timezones actually work and CET always being UTC+1.

I can see in parts how both sides are right, however, for me what is more bothering is the tone of communication that underwent the whole process, and also stating that counting in 52 minutes possibly late votes changed a lot for this hosting, if any other voter who voted close to the deadline had their votes actually viewed and counted after that time mark is seriously just meh.

While with going with the hosts have a last say stuff, and Xochimilia saying that their late by CEST standards vote was an honest mistake I think at least a 29th finalist status for the next edition is the minimum we should have.

 

[Otto]

Unfortunately just about every source available contradicts this, as in this screenshot I took just now from www.timeanddate.com:

The screenshot you posted even states, that CET is currently only observed in one African country, nowhere in Europe itself. I literally live in Greenwich, I know what time is.

 

[strajker]

I literally live in Greenwich, I know what time is.

Regardless of everything this sentence is iconic.