Malmö is hosting ESC 2013
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Sim
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that's true, the dress rehearsals can also be watched, so I think 70.000 is not an impossible number
LalehForWD
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_forgettable post_ 
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I think Sietse Bakker is getting enough from mebut i won't let him do
He's even saying that arena of 20000-25000 people is not profitable???
He says that you need to sold out both semis and final to be profitable.
So what with Moscou 2009, I remember seeing in the semis lot of empty places?
I know ESC costs a lot, but an arena of 20000 is not profitable, com'on...
So, what's your idea of Sietse Bakker? Your theory of what he implies should be the future EBU policy? My guess is that SVT is supporting a downgrading policy in favour for smaller budget needs and focus on the TV show aspect of the event. I can sympathize with that. After all, the content is far more important than the form. As for the quality of content I guess there are different beliefs.
LalehForWD
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I must say i'm so dissapointed for many, many reasons.
1. I live in a city like 50 minutes away from Stockholm with a car. I would have gotten tickets and seen the final, or maybe one of the semifinals. But since Malmö is far away from me (like, 8h with car?) and i have school and all that day after. Well.. i hate Malmö now. Ruined my dream to go see Eurovision in my home country
2. Malmö arena will only take up to 13.000 and i'm afraid that the stage will look like it did in Helsinki 2007 :? :? :?that scares me. And i'm afraid it will. I hope it may look a bit like the Oslo stage if we are lucky.
3. FML .. Melodifestivalen (National Final for Sweden) takes up to 16.000 people under the grand final. And ESC here will only take up to 13.000????? :evil:
4. Friends Arena would have been better. People would have seen the beautiful city and the cool new big arena. Maybe it would have been like in Moscow 2009? or Dusseldorf 2011? Well sad.. it will be Helsinki 2007.. grrrr...., we could have had a big stage and all that. And more people would have had the big chance to see it! But sadly SVT is so stupid. EBU does not like that Eurovision gets bigger and bigger with bigger arenas, stages etc. And when its Swedens time yeah, lets draw it back! ....... Economy is a big issue in this, but newspaper have released that SVT could have gotten Friends Arena for only half of the price (and if i owned it, FOR FREE!)
5. Its like.. when you go to other european citys and have Eurovision (like in Germany, Azerbadzjan, Serbia, RUSSIA and Greece) they have all these big stages and sutch. But when you come to us in the nordic countrys (Finland, Norway) the stage is ofc. smaller then past year. Design a bit ugglier etc. So no one will really wan't to return to Nordic Europe if Sweden don't pull of a MONSTER show.
Västerås? Uppsala? Södertälje?
Örebro => 2.5 hour to Solna by car/about the same by train
I guess by train would be perfect, there is always a train to Gothenburg or Oslo at anytime from Stockholm. No sleeping arrangement would be necessary.
cactus99
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Well I read an article once about how a lot of swedes in Skåne actually consider themselves danish, so it's not completely away from the truth that this area is somewhat isolated form the rest of Sweden. Bearing in mind how Skåne used to be danish up until 1658 there are plenty of friendly bonds between us and the most Southern part of Sweden.
The national mentality in this area is a whole lot different than the rest of Sweden. The region actually even has their own flag and the national self-identity is a whole lot different than the rest of Sweden:
I didn't see this post until now but I feel I must respond to it.
As a Scanian with most of my roots in Scania all the way back to 1658 and beyond (Skåne/Scania was conquered by Sweden from it's archenemy Denmark in the year 1658 along with some other provinces) I can't say I feel very danish. Neither have I ever met a Scanian who said they felt more connected to Denmark than Sweden. We do however have a strong feeling of independence in this part of Sweden, but we already had that when we were a part of Denmark.
Culturally Scania is more connected to continental Europe than to the rest of Sweden. It's really not that hard to understand. During history it used to be so much easier to travel over water to mainland Denmark, Germany and Poland than through the dark forests to the north. So I wouldn't actually put it like us being more isolated. More like Scania has closer ties to continental Europe, while the rest of Sweden is more isolated. The latest proof of that was our referendum in 2003 about Sweden adopting the Euro currency. The strongest support for the Euro was in Scania and in Stockholm, while the rest of Sweden said no. (But then there lives a lot of Scanians in Stockholm ... )
I would also like to emphasise was has happened in the Öresund region since the bridge between Malmö and Copenhagen opened 12 years ago.
Considering Sweden and Denmark are the two countries in Europe which have fought most wars between themselves during European history, it's rather remarkable what we have been able to accomplish since 1814, the year for the last war.
Especially the latest 12 years since the bridge opened have been very successfull and several countries in Europe could - and should - learn from our example.
Today more than 20,000 people cross the bridge every day to work on the other side. Collaboration flourish on so many levels like public transportations, hospitals, universities, science and tourism. The Öresund region has become one of the most expansive regions in the whole of Europe.
Now there are even early plans for two more connections under Öresund between Scania and the island of Zealand in Denmark, since the bridge is estimated to be at it's maximum capacity within 20 years.
When Copenhagen was host to the UN Climate Change conference in 2009, several delegations stayed at hotels in Malmö and Scania since all the hotels in Copenhagen were full. Several tourists visiting Copenhagen choose to stay in Malmö since the accomodations are cheaper.
With the ESC 2013 it will be the other way around with some visitors staying in Denmark. So what? Both Sweden and Denmark are gaining from this.
I have understood it's difficult for many swedes up north to understand what we have accomplished down here in the last 12 years. Many have still their minds set in the traditional way of thinking with national protectionism, while we in the Öresund area have become more focused on cross border collaboration regardless of the nation.
And isn't that what the ESC is all about?
I'm going to Malmo next year as I will have a ticket and press access but I'm still sad it's not Stockholm. And it's not like I can just go there as it's a 4 1/2 train ride or so. But at least I'll get to spend some time in Copenhagen which is an awesome city, plus Denmark is one of the best countries ever.
I'm sad for those who won't be able to get a ticket especially considering there is a big demand. They're expecting 70000 visitors so it's going to be crazy!!!
I'm sad for those who won't be able to get a ticket especially considering there is a big demand. They're expecting 70000 visitors so it's going to be crazy!!!
cactus99
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So, what's your idea of Sietse Bakker? Your theory of what he implies should be the future EBU policy? My guess is that SVT is supporting a downgrading policy in favour for smaller budget needs and focus on the TV show aspect of the event. I can sympathize with that. After all, the content is far more important than the form. As for the quality of content I guess there are different beliefs.
Perhaps I should also inform the forum readers that SVT is a non commercial public service broadcaster. Most of their income comes from license fees paid by the swedish viewers. When it comes down to the penny (or öre), I'm not that sure how many swedes would actually support a possible increase of the license fees - or a repriority of the other broadcasts during the fiscal year - just to put on a super duper show in Stockholm.
LalehForWD
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By choosing Malmö, SVT acknowledge the pressure to deliver the best show ever and bring the event to a new level.
Nu måste Sverige lyfta Eurovision till nästa nivå (in Swedish)
I guess this means that SVT is more open than ever for suggestions and improvements of the event. I'd call this as an advantage for Malmö as well.
Nu måste Sverige lyfta Eurovision till nästa nivå (in Swedish)
I guess this means that SVT is more open than ever for suggestions and improvements of the event.
I'd call this as an advantage for Malmö as well.
LalehForWD
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SVT gives Greece a second chance by selecting Malmö or was it Björn Ranelid?
Svenska Dagbladet ledare: Får Björn Ranelid sin andra chans i Malmö?
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More SvD: SVT väljer bort Friends arena
Svenska Dagbladet ledare: Får Björn Ranelid sin andra chans i Malmö?
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More SvD: SVT väljer bort Friends arena
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Now Denmark will not only benefit from ESC 2013 economic but they will also HOST ESC-events in May!!!!!!
I say it again Copenhagen will HOST ESC-EVENTS in May....
WHY???? Why not give the contest to Denmark then??
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Now Denmark will not only benefit from ESC 2013 economic but they will also HOST ESC-events in May!!!!!!
I say it again Copenhagen will HOST ESC-EVENTS in May....
WHY???? Why not give the contest to Denmark then??
LalehForWD
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I can't really see why this is upsetting you. Malmö stad wants to engage the Danish citizens in Copenhagen in an ESC event. I take it as they want to ask the Copenhageners for support and help. All just to make the festivities greater. It's a good thing!
I can't really see why this is upsetting you. Malmö stad wants to engage the Danish citizens in Copenhagen in an ESC event. I take it as they want to ask the Copenhageners for support and help. All just to make the festivities greater. It's a good thing!
If they need help from an another country to host ESC then they shouldn't host it at all. Why isn't the danish flag on the Eurovision logo? It's SWEDEN who won ESC 2012 not Denmark. Why not give the whole ESC 2013 to Denmark. If so SVT would save money.. lool!
If it's Copenhagen who should host ESC do you think they would have ESC events in Malmö?? Not a chance! Copenhagen couldn't care less about Malmö. Then why give they ESC events to Copenhagen.? It's ridiculous!!
LalehForWD
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It's evident that there is something fishy with Friends Arena politics in Solna. It's also very possible Solna kommun would have to pay large amounts just to keep the Arena going as it is. Friends Arena needs to earn money, not goodwill through ESC. Otherwise, who should pay for Eurovision? Stockholm stad? SVT is just a television broadcasting company with a budget.
Anyway, the only way to change it now is through "Lagen om offentlig upphandling".
Anyway, the only way to change it now is through "Lagen om offentlig upphandling".
FA needs to earn money? What about Sweden, SVT to earn money from ESC 2013 which they will won't do? Denmark will earn most money of this since Sweden needs to pay for it. In what way will they earn money. They will lost money to Copenhagen which Sthlm shouldn't do.
LalehForWD
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Why should the Swedish state (= taxes from all Sweden) benefit Stockholm over Malmö? No, Stockholm stad would need to pay for it. Apparently the politicians at Stockholm stad wasn't skilled enough and the game was won by Malmö. Game over.
BTW ESC for Stockholm group was short lived and the page doesn't seem to have much support. I guess the case is closed now.
Why should the Swedish state (= taxes from all Sweden) benefit Stockholm over Malmö? No, Stockholm stad would need to pay for it. Apparently the politicians at Stockholm stad wasn't skilled enough and the game was won by Malmö. Game over.
BTW ESC for Stockholm group was short lived and the page doesn't seem to have much support. I guess the case is closed now.
Why shouldn't they prefer Sthlm over Malmö? The swedish states will not benefit of Copenhagen. The most money from the ESC tourism will go the danish state.
Well people understand that SVT will not change the decision. That's why the Stockholm group have so little support.
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Jag jommer aldrig att ge mig. Jag kommer aldrig att sluta att kritisera ESC 2012 i Malmö!:twisted: