KAZAKHSTAN 2013 - not taking part

[A-lister]

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I think the Australians would enter if they are allowed to do so. Kazakhstan is also not Europe, but far more near than Australia.

We already had that discussion, part of Kazakhstan (bigger than European Turkey or the European part of Caucasian countries) is in fact within the European continent, so it would just make sense if they were allowed.

 

[bubblingtrue]

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We already had that discussion, part of Kazakhstan (bigger than European Turkey or the European part of Caucasian countries) is in fact within the European continent, so it would just make sense if they were allowed.

Only 5% of Kazakhstan is supposedly 'geographically' in Europe, however it is far removed from the continent, and that 5% is highly unpopulated, so to me it makes no sense for Kazakhstan to ever enter, plus with the massive time difference, makes the case against them even stronger. To expect singers to have to perform live vocals at 2 or 3 in the morning is highly unfair and impractical.

 

[sokyratis555]

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also broadcast it. It doens't mean they'll ever enter it

there was actual a little talk about australia entering eurovision this year in the local media. eurovision is garnering massive massive interest in australia, and had constant updates from the event.

honestly, the possibility of australia entering is slightly there, aside from the 5am start time here and showing delayed coverage there is a chance. my suggestion to beat the time difference in countries that are far out would be 100% jury voting, and i think and pray it could happen

 

[Quent91]

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there was actual a little talk about australia entering eurovision this year in the local media.

Oh My God, that would be wonderful.

But don't start to make a bloc with New-Zealand for the votes :evil:

 

[A-lister]

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Only 5% of Kazakhstan is supposedly 'geographically' in Europe, however it is far removed from the continent, and that 5% is highly unpopulated, so to me it makes no sense for Kazakhstan to ever enter, plus with the massive time difference, makes the case against them even stronger. To expect singers to have to perform live vocals at 2 or 3 in the morning is highly unfair and impractical.

The same goes for the Turkish part of Europe, and even less of the Caucasian parts (I mean the % of land areal).

 

[EdvinasLTU]

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lach, all hopes are on kazakhstan. if they and portugal join ESC'13, Sweden will beat ESC-with-most-countries record! sooo?
And for those, who are saying, no for countries not from Europe, then...
[sarcasm]bye bye Turkey, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia and Russia. We don't care you have some land in Europe, but you are from Asia, bye.[/sarcasm]
Eurovision is contest, where countries share music, which they create and like. More countries means more unique music. Worldvision would be even more fun, BUT NOOO. WE WANT TO STAY HERE AND LISTEN TO STEREOTYPICAL-SWEDEN MUSIC WHICH GETS TO TOP 10 EVERY YEAR.

 

[A-lister]

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lach, all hopes are on kazakhstan. if they and portugal join ESC'13, Sweden will beat ESC-with-most-countries record! sooo?
And for those, who are saying, no for countries not from Europe, then...
[sarcasm]bye bye Turkey, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia and Russia. We don't care you have some land in Europe, but you are from Asia, bye.[/sarcasm]
Eurovision is contest, where countries share music, which they create and like. More countries means more unique music. Worldvision would be even more fun, BUT NOOO. WE WANT TO STAY HERE AND LISTEN TO STEREOTYPICAL-SWEDEN MUSIC WHICH GETS TO TOP 10 EVERY YEAR.

Kazakhstan aren't in EBU though?

I don't have any issues with Kazakhstan entering, as they are partly in Europe so it would be hypocritical not accepting them and accepting those you mentioned.

However, I don't agree that 'music is just music', since the concept is pretty clear EUROvision ... also I think there's a limit when the contest would become too big for its own good.

But would be great if would enter, and if confirms and none of the others withdraws it would indeed mean a record year, but they have to be accepted into EBU firstly.

 

[EdvinasLTU]

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State Television Company awaits of satisfaction of request for Pending or Approved EBU membership since 2008.

sigh, EBU just need to say YES to them..

 

[A-lister]

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sigh, EBU just need to say YES to them..

Yep, and haven't done so since 2008 so won't happen now, and if they would I think it would be on a meeting next year? and that would be too late anyways for them to prepare an entry for 2013

 

[EdvinasLTU]

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Yep, and haven't done so since 2008 so won't happen now, and if they would I think it would be on a meeting next year? and that would be too late anyways for them to prepare an entry for 2013

well.. it wouldn't be too late, it's still a lot of time left. Actually EBU member should be in EBA, but more than half of EBU members are not in EBA.. EBU are such a rule-breakers..

 

[DannyDS]

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I'd love to see Kazakhstan in the ESC

 

[A-lister]

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So if SVT and EBU want a record year, they better accept like NOW!

And then Kazakhstan chooses a dream- team duo made up by singer Dinara Sultan and instrumental group Ulytau, and combine the style of the two songs below and they'll win in their debut year and we'll be going to Astana or Almaty in 2014 already

Dinara Sultan

Ulytau

 

[Andrzej1987]

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well.. it wouldn't be too late, it's still a lot of time left. Actually EBU member should be in EBA, but more than half of EBU members are not in EBA.. EBU are such a rule-breakers..

To be a member of EBU a country has to be within the EBA or be a member of the Council of Europe, Kazakhstan is neither, that's why EBU cannot accept them.

 

[LalehForWD]

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To be a member of EBU a country has to be within the EBA or be a member of the Council of Europe, Kazakhstan is neither, that's why EBU cannot accept them.

You're right, as I understand the only country that fails both is Kazakhstan.
Council of Europe
European Broadcasting Area

Question is: Do they have rights to apply membership in Council of Europe?

 

[Andrzej1987]

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You're right, as I understand the only country that fails both is Kazakhstan.
Council of Europe
European Broadcasting Area

Question is: Do they have rights to apply membership in Council of Europe?

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They have when it comes to geography, but they are not democratic enough and there are human right concers - hmmm sounds exactly like some coutries within the Council, so double standards?

 

[LalehForWD]

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They have when it comes to geography, but they are not democratic enough and there are human right concers - hmmm sounds exactly like some coutries within the Council, so double standards?

Wikipedia
"Kazakhstan applied for the Special Guest status with the Parliamentary Assembly in 1999. The Assembly found that Kazakhstan could apply for full membership, because 4% of its territory, west of the Ural river, is located in Europe,[6] but granting Special Guest status would require improvements in the fields of democracy and human rights. Kazakhstan signed a co-operation agreement with the Assembly in April 2004. In November 2006, the Kazakhstan Parliament officially asked to be granted observer status with the Assembly. On 15 to 16 March 2010, the President of the Council of Europe's Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) made an official visit to Kazakhstan,[7] resulting in the conclusion that the Council of Europe and Kazakhstan strengthen their relations. This milestone emboldens Kazakhstan's "Path to Europe" programme, as outlined by Kazakh president Nursultan Nazarbayev in Astana in 2008."

So would it be right to assume Kazakhstan is waiting for hers Council of Europe-membership to be able to participate in ESC?

 

[Andrzej1987]

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It means they are waiting for "observer" status to be granted to them, that is not full membership.

 

[toinou03]

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Neither Belarus nor Israel are members of the Council of Europe, because one don't have to be member of the Council of Europe to be part of EBU. In EBU there is also Morrocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon, and all of these countries could plan to enter ESC, like Morrocco in 1980 or Lebanon in 2005.
Plus, Kazakhstan is a member of UEFA, like Israel. So, it would'nt be stupid to see Kazakhstan in ESC !

 

[Archer]

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Ulytau would be great for sure.

 

[A-lister]

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They have when it comes to geography, but they are not democratic enough and there are human right concers - hmmm sounds exactly like some coutries within the Council, so double standards?

There are PLENTY of undemocratic countries with lack of human rights in EBU, even in ESC there are some. Kazakhstan is no worse than Belarus or Azerbaijan in regards to democracy, and FAR better than the Middle-Eastern/North-African EBU members when it comes to Human Rights.