GERMANY 2013 - Cascada - Glorious

[A-lister]

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The international dance act rumour is intriguing, unless it's been misinterpreted that could only really mean Scooter or Cascada. Fair play to Germany if they can now attract artists like that (I know Scooter have tried before but regardless it's impressive in this day and age in a Big 5 country)

Scooter and Cascada??? That could have been 'fresh' in the 90's (well Cascada is not really from the 90's, but they fit there). I know that the current trend is very 90's oriented, but not in this way

... and people here laugh at the thought of an actual pro-artist like Helene Fischer

 

[Kicker]

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OMG. Please let it be Cascada, pleeeeaaaase 33

I really could imagine that a song like this could fit with Eurovision

And also, Natalie is a great live singer...

 

[Venage]

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I don't particularly like Cascada or Scooter, but I think that it would be quite interesting to have one of those as an act in the national final. It would be just one of twelve artists, so no need to panic as there will hopefully be amazing newcomers as well. Although Helene Fischer might be a professional, I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who likes listening to her songs here in Germany. Maybe this is not important to you, but before Stefan Raab Eurovision was mostly watched by people over the age of 50, so I cannot imagine that the ARD would dare presenting us Schlager artists for the national final.

As the production company of Stefan Raab is still on board which hosted ESC 2011 and ESC 2012, I have no doubt that they will present us some good acts so we don't need to be ashamed of our country

 

[CC92]

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Although Helene Fischer might be a professional, I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who likes hearing her songs here in Germany. Maybe this is not important to you, but before Stefan Raab Eurovision was mostly watched by people over the age of 50, so I cannot imagine that the ARD would dare presenting us Schlager artists for the national final.

This false propaganda is getting very boring.

As the production company of Stefan Raab is still on board which hosted ESC 2011 and ESC 2012, I have no doubt that they will present us some good acts so we don't need to be ashamed of our country

As Lena Meyer-Landrut is liked by the majority of Germans.

 

[Venage]

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This false propaganda is getting very boring.

Go on, make a field study in a high school or university to your liking and I guarantee that no one will admit that he/she listens to Helene Fischer

As Lena Meyer-Landrut is liked by the majority of Germans.

At least in 2010 this was indeed the case

 

[A-lister]

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Although Helene Fischer might be a professional, I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who likes listening to her songs here in Germany. Maybe this is not important to you, but before Stefan Raab Eurovision was mostly watched by people over the age of 50, so I cannot imagine that the ARD would dare presenting us Schlager artists for the national final.

So your suggestion is to shoot all 40+ people then?

Helene Fischer is one of the best-selling acts in Germany, for sure she's more serious than Cascada will ever become. I'd love for Germany to just send a 'German' act finally. A song in German and that actually reflects German music or local music. Cascada would end up like Kate Ryan did, they are totally has-been act. Their biggest hit is a cover released 7+ years ago, and that's it.

 

[CC92]

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^^ I shall not continue this discussion because it is obvious that you either live in a very small Pro7 media bubble or work for Brainpool yourself touting their conecpt/attitude to others here. Just take at the look at the sales and you will see who is how popular.

 

[Venage]

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So your suggestion is to shoot all 40+ people then?

Helene Fischer is one of the best-selling acts in Germany, for sure she's more serious than Cascada will ever become. I'd love for Germany to just send a 'German' act finally. A song in German and that actually reflects German music or local music. Cascada would end up like Kate Ryan did, they are totally has-been act. Their biggest hit is a cover released 7+ years ago, and that's it.

Of course not, but the ARD wanted to attract young people, so they won't dare scaring the young audience away by sending a Schlager star to the competition. It may sound unfair, but combine ESC and Schlager artists in the media and the young people won't watch the national final no matter how good the Schlager artist might be. Schlager in Germany means old-fashioned, so no way she would have a chance. In addition the ARD works together with its young radio stations throughout the whole of Germany which will play and feature the artists of the national final. Look at the common playlists of these radios and you will notice that a Helene Fischer doesn't fit in:

Playlists - Musik - 1LIVE

In the end you have to decide to either cater for the younger or the older audience and the ARD obviously aims for the younger audience. Therefore no Helene Fischer

^^ I shall not continue this discussion because it is obvious that you either live in a very small Pro7 media bubble or work for Brainpool yourself touting their conecpt/attitude to others here. Just take at the look at the sales and you will see who is how popular.

It's pretty superficial to suggest that I only watch Pro7 and listen to some commercial popstars only because I don't like the music of Helene Fischer. I'm just telling you the most obvious fact that the majority of the young people don't listen to Helene Fischer as well. Helene Fischer is popular of course, but popular doesn't mean that she is popular among the young folks.

 

[Matt]

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Ugh, Helene Fischer may have a pretty voice but her music is horrendous. Volksmusic is making my ears bleed and certainly does not represent the German taste in music as a whole. It's similar to the Croatian klapa music they're trying to send...Ugh.

 

[CC92]

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Ugh, Helene Fischer may have a pretty voice but her music is horrendous. Volksmusic is making my ears bleed and certainly does not represent the German taste in music as a whole. It's similar to the Croatian klapa music they're trying to send...Ugh.

What musical genre is typifying the German taste in music as a whole then? And it is ironic that the supporters of Raab/Brainpool suddenly care so much about the representativeness of the entry after sending British/Scandinavian/American rejects three years (all under Raab) in a row. Also Helene Fischer is doing Schlager music, not Volksmusik.

 

[Matt]

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What musical genre is typifying the German taste in music as a whole then? And it is ironic that the supporters of Raab/Brainpool suddenly care so much for the representativeness of the entry after sending British/Scandinavian/American rejects three years (all under Raab) in a row. Also Helene Fischer is doing Schlager music, not Volksmusik.

She won the Volksmusik (Krone der Volksmusik) award 4 times.


And I'm all for a fair NF (Melodifestivalen starting 2014) where all kinds of songs will be in the running and the German public gets to vote for their favorite. If Helene Fischer wins then by all means send her but I highly doubt that's going to happen

And I'm no Raab supporter as a matter of fact it's almost the opposite. But I just don't believe that Helene Fischer's music is the answer, I find that music is just way too dated and out of touch.

 

[CC92]

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She won the Volksmusik (Krone der Volksmusik) award 4 times.


And I'm all for a fair NF (Melodifestivalen starting 2014) where all kinds of songs will be in the running and the German public gets to vote for their favorite. If Helene Fischer wins then by all means send her but I highly doubt that's going to happen

And I'm no Raab supporter as a matter of fact it's almost the opposite. But I just don't believe that Helene Fischer's music is the answer, I find that music is just way too dated and out of touch.

Given her popularity I am pretty sure she would have the first place in the televote in her pocket even if her song was not the best/most appealing. Unless she were to compete against acts like Grönemeyer, Peter Fox, Unheilig, Rammstein, maybe Cro etc. but none of the them is going to happen. So well
I find it contradictory and irritating to lable the currently most successful/popular genre 'dated'. If the music meets one's personal taste or not is a different thing.
However, I strongly agree with you that a NF should contain a multitude of various musical genres and styles.

 

[A-lister]

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In the end you have to decide to either cater for the younger or the older audience and the ARD obviously aims for the younger audience. Therefore no Helene Fischer

So you mean younger audience is more important than older?

Here I thought ESC was for everyone, but I must have mistaken then...

Also, the aim of ESC is to represent your country. Maybe in a local sense attracting the younger audience to make it more popular could make sense (although I think that's a narrow-minded way of approaching things), but if you look at the bigger picture I could see someone like her doing pretty well on ESC and also it does represent a part of German local music scene which I think you shouldn't be ashamed of at all.

 

[A-lister]

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If Helene Fischer wins then by all means send her but I highly doubt that's going to happen

And I'm no Raab supporter as a matter of fact it's almost the opposite. But I just don't believe that Helene Fischer's music is the answer, I find that music is just way too dated and out of touch.

Given her popularity I am pretty sure she would have the first place in the televote in her pocket even if her song was not the best/most appealing. Unless she were to compete against acts like Grönemeyer, Peter Fox, Unheilig, Rammstein, maybe Cro etc. but none of the them is going to happen. So well
I find it contradictory and irritating to lable the currently most successful/popular genre 'dated'. If the music meets one's personal taste or not is a different thing.
However, I strongly agree with you that a NF should contain a multitude of various musical genres and styles.

She's one of the most successful acts in Germany, she's one of the few German acts (German languages ones and English languages ones alike) with an actual European following. I think her sales numbers and selling out Arena tours are telling enough that would she enter the German selection, she would probably be one of the hot favorites based on her name and popularity alone.

And contrary to some ideas in here, Schlager (including Helene) was (and is still) played in trendy 20yo's crowds "in-clubs" in Berlin that I visited... so people should maybe widen their horizons because it's really not always what it seems on the surface.... and who controls the surface? The people? Not really...

Just because some ageist oikophobe radio programmers doesn't pick her songs to their "youth trendy radio" playlists, doesn't mean she's not popular and disliked by the younger crowd. I ask the same question as I did in some other thread: Is there a natural-law that all music that could be "in" must reflect the American (youth) market or isn't there room for local European styles aswell in this world? (atleast in Europe?), and isn't the whole purpose with ESC to promote and represent European music rather than just the American controlled trends?

 

[DannyDS]

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Just send Ute Freudenberg... Or Ina Maria Federowski, her song "Hast Du Ein Leben" is fierce!

 

[Kicker]

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Cascada would end up like Kate Ryan did, they are totally has-been act. Their biggest hit is a cover released 7+ years ago, and that's it.

Wrong. Their biggest hit was "Evacuate the Dancefloor" in 2009, and also "Summer Of Love" (2012) did quite well in Europe.
They aren't that big anymore, but they're still there

 

[A-lister]

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Wrong. Their biggest hit was "Evacuate the Dancefloor" in 2009, and also "Summer Of Love" (2012) did quite well in Europe.

Their ONLY actual international hit was "Everytime We Touch" and that's a fact

 

[DannyDS]

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Cascada just totally sucks.

 

[CC92]

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Just because some ageist oikophobe radio programmers doesn't pick her songs for their "youth trendy radios" mean she's not popular and disliked by the younger crowd.

Funny thing is that these radio programmers and person responsibles (Raab, Schreiber, etc.) are all 40+ and 50+ themselves. Apparently they know best what's good for the youth though. Maybe it is midlife-crisis related or smth.

 

[A-lister]

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Funny thing is that these radio programmers and person responsibles (Raab, Schreiber, etc.) are all 40+ and 50+ themselves. Apparently they know best what's good for the youth though. Maybe it is midlife-crisis related or smth.

That's usually the case yes, which makes it even more pathetic... and sort of reminds me of how the judges in ESC works aswell

"Now we gonna be hip, let's through in some useless rapper in the mix, the 'kids' like that don't they?"