FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

[Harvey]

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Just because i am Macedonian i know very well why that it is a provocation, i do know very well who am i and who were my ancestors. It's because the video is done with the intention to be provocative, while knowing that greek people will protest about it. Also i do think that the name of the song is placed to be within and correspond with these monuments of our history on the video, history that greeks dispute and prescribe to themselves, just because in 1913 they got our territory, i think that it is provocative because it gives a picture that we want our territories back, our empire lol (which is not true and it is not possible). Also it is very very kitsch, I'll explain why I think that it is so. The buildings that you see on that video, but only those who should look like old buildings are in a matter of fact very NEW (about 1year old), and you have no idea how many styles are mixed in them, you should come and see with your own eyes (be my guest, it will be my pleasure), it is a project of our government (i am not sure what they want to prove with that cuz we don't need that, we know who we are)

If the Macedonian politicians had a view as objective as yours, the country wouldn't have problems with its neighbours. Have you ever thought about getting involved in politics?

 

[A-lister]

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Ι am not sure if they choose the best way to find their identity.

Not sure what the point is with posting this video? Is this video suppose to symbolize all Macedonians or what?

Look, I don't want to be dragged into some sort of propaganda dispute in here...

I don't have any connection to neither country really so I'm not really on anyone's "side" here... but I just try to look at it from a rational outsider's perspective.

What disturbs me is when disputes and conflicts like this one finds its way into ESC.

 

[GRE]

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Well i believe that most people think that Greece is the bad guy who doesn't let Fyrom to be Macedonia.
Its not only the name.Believe me.
I don't want to talk about it anymore.
This is a music thread.

 

[A-lister]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Imperija

Well i believe that most people think that Greece is the bad guy who doesn't let Fyrom to be Macedonia.
Its not only the name.Believe me.
I don't want to talk about it anymore.
This is a music thread.

I didn't use the word "bad guy" of any part here... I was solely discussing the name dispute and the whole discussion about the video which I found overreacted.

I totally agree with you, this should be about the music...

 

[GermanBango]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Imperija

Amen.
So, let's talk about music

 

[Fluke]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Imperija

Just a strange ethno-pop blend that really doesn't appeal to me, sorry. Though at least it's more colorful than the incredibly bland entries we've heard otherwise this year so far

 

[moop]

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yeah lets talk about the music.... the song sucks ass im sorry but this year is looking to be the worst in eurovision in a long time

 

[Jana]

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Our history is just as old as their history. And i know what are you trying to tell me. But my opinion about that project is clear, i don't like it and i can't find it useful and needed, because we know who we are and there is no need of statues and buildings that cost millions of euros for proving clear facts, while some people in Macedonia are living miserable, and trying to survive, we had what to show to the tourists before this project was done.. Also i don't have to prove to anyone that i'm Macedonian, I AM, that's all, you like it or not, and i am happy with it. But this is an Eurovision Song Contest forum, and not a place for talking of someones identity, so please everyone excuse me for this small conversation.

 

[Terence]

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Just a strange ethno-pop blend that really doesn't appeal to me, sorry. Though at least it's more colorful than the incredibly bland entries we've heard otherwise this year so far

Exactly. I think this would rank among my top 3 at the moment but that doesn't mean it's a masterpiece or anything!

 

[Jana]

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If the Macedonian politicians had a view as objective as yours, the country wouldn't have problems with its neighbours. Have you ever thought about getting involved in politics?

ahahahahaha, it might happen someday, i'm a little bit positively crazy

 

[Mimi]

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[i anixi]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Imperija

Look, I'm not here to make some sort of disputed discussion about this... I do think it's much fuss about nothing though. The whole name-dispute and everything else connected to it is indeed silly when you think about it (there are far more important issues for both Greece and Macedonia to deal with).

I know that these monuments and buildings are newly built, but my point was that it's hardly the first time a video is being made as some sort of "tourism promotion"... so what is your suggestion? That they should not show these buildings because some Greeks might get "provoked" by it? Then what should they show then if the purpose was to show scenes from Skopje? What you're saying is that showing the capital is a "provocation"... so will they not show anything from the country/capital then if they would ever win ESC and host it? That would also be a provocation?

I mean let's be honest here, the Skopje 2014 project is not just some "provocation" or chauvinistic building project... it's also a way to add some character and identity to a capital that perhaps wasn't really the most attractive or interesting before. It's a sort of face-lift.

Also, I don't blame Macedonia for trying to find an identity and image for itself though after years of non- sovereignty... it's a small "new" country trying to put its name on the map. Greece it's an old country with long history, the way they react shows some insecurity.

I can't believe you people are still discussing this and still using the "tourism promo" excuse. I live in a touristic country myself and know very well what a touristic promo video looks like. When it's for real, you're shown the best the country has to offer in all its diversity. You get landscapes, beaches, mountains, rivers, lakes, the sun shining, the snow falling, picturesque scenes, animals in prairies, you get cities, towns, villages, you get ancient castles, monasteries, churches and other monuments both old and brand new, you get a taste of folk as well as a taste of modern everyday bustle, you get PEOPLE engaged in both leisure and commercial activities, nightlife, food, restaurants, markets, you get streets, squares, gardens, life.

What you don't get is 3 or 4 buildings in the same architectural style completely out of physical context. Jesus.

 

[DannyDS]

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So... what about the song? Any news? I have just wasted 2 minutes of this Glorious day reading the same old political nonsense.

 

[MakDok]

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^ Unfortunately no news about the song or the progress and no official statements.

 

[A-lister]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Imperija

I can't believe you people are still discussing this and still using the "tourism promo" excuse. I live in a touristic country myself and know very well what a touristic promo video looks like. When it's for real, you're shown the best the country has to offer in all its diversity. You get landscapes, beaches, mountains, rivers, lakes, the sun shining, the snow falling, picturesque scenes, animals in prairies, you get cities, towns, villages, you get ancient castles, monasteries, churches and other monuments both old and brand new, you get a taste of folk as well as a taste of modern everyday bustle, you get PEOPLE engaged in both leisure and commercial activities, nightlife, food, restaurants, markets, you get streets, squares, gardens, life.

What you don't get is 3 or 4 buildings in the same architectural style completely out of physical context. Jesus.

And if Macedonia don't have all that to show off? It's not Portugal afterall, there's no sea etc.

 

[i anixi]

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And if Macedonia don't have all that to show off? It's not Portugal afterall, there's no sea etc.

Please. Of course they must have many things to show off. I myself have seen some interesting images of genuinely old buildings for instance, while searching in the net for images, because of this conversation.
Anyway, if they didn't have anything to show off, what the heck would they be doing promo touristic videos for?

 

[A-lister]

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Please. Of course they must have many things to show off. I myself have seen some interesting images of genuinely old buildings for instance, while searching in the net for images, because of this conversation.
Anyway, if they didn't have anything to show off, what the heck would they be doing promo touristic videos for?

I guess they just wanted to show off the Skopje 2014 project, a project that has cost the state 100 of millions euros with the purpose of giving the city a total make-over with monuments and also re-building old buildings that got destroyed in the earthquake some 100 year ago.

I think there's very little understanding by bigger older states that have been sovereign for long why a small "new" state would want to find an image and identity for themselves this way, I on the other hand get it.

 

[i anixi]

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I guess they just wanted to show off the Skopje 2014 project, a project that has cost the state 100 of millions euros with the purpose of giving the city a total make-over with monuments and also re-building old buildings that got destroyed in the earthquake some 100 year ago..

Is that a fact? I wasn't aware of it. It did strike me as odd, that a country should be building "old" buildings from scratch. I mean, old buildings should have been built in the old days, now you should be building modern, according to your time. Each epoche has its own characteristics and necessities and that's how cities develop and become interesting.
Re-building is a different story of course and a very meritory one.

Anyway, the song was/is called Emperija, so they decided to show imperial buildings. It might just be as simple as that.

 

[A-lister]

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Is that a fact? I wasn't aware of it. It did strike me as odd, that a country should be building "old" buildings from scratch. I mean, old buildings should have been built in the old days, now you should be building modern, according to your time. Each epoche has its own characteristics and necessities and that's how cities develop and become interesting.
Re-building is a different story of course and a very meritory one.

Anyway, the song was/is called Emperija, so they decided to show imperial buildings. It might just be as simple as that.

Yes it's a fact, the whole project is simply re-building old buildings that got destroyed by the earthquake, aswell as adding monuments and other type of buildings that should symbolize different epochs (for instance imperial epochs). I mean if you put it into context, the capital city got destroyed and they weren't allowed to build something for themselves during the times they were under the rule by a third part... especially communist eras tend to leave very grey and boring cities behind. They simply make up for lost time, I can't blame them really.

Yup, it's as simple as that... not much to analyze really. The criticism mostly comes from their neighbors because they've built monuments of disputed heroes, also of course there's local criticism because of the high costs. But putting it all into perspective I get the idea behind this.

 

[RainyWoods]

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I'm amazing. I just bought Esma's album "Gypsy Carpet"