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FINLAND 2013 - Krista Siegfrids - Marry Me

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CypriotGirl said:
Despina Vandi had a song with similar meaning some years ago (not talking about marriage but about women in general) and nobody thought it was against women or anything like this, smart people can understand that there is an irony behind such kind of lyrics.

Just have a look: stixoi.info: Girl thing
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There's some potentially iffy lines with that song, but it's totally different. Look at this part, for example:

They said to my brother when he was little
"When you grow up you'll become a great scientist"
At the other side, they were telling me, "Kiddo,
Look to find some good guy to marry you"
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You know why that's not offensive? Because that's not parody, that's exactly what is told to many many women. Because that's exactly how women are still being made out to be/how they should be - focused on getting married. That's why this Finnish song is funny. Because people already have this notion in their heads. Nobody would laugh too much at a song about Irish people getting married, because it's too random. Or "I'm not obsessed, I'm just Irish!" Huh? But an "irony" about Irish people being drunk all the time? Hysterical! Because that's an established stereotype. And that's why it works. And that's also why it's harmful.

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It is best to not over-analyze things like this song.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with analysing it. Can you overanalyse a song? People are free to just listen to it without reading commentary, but there's nothing wrong with taking a closer look at well. You can tear apart Russia's lyrics on this forum and point out all its flaws all you like, point out the cheesy lines, say there's an issue somewhere - all good. But the moment you suggest that there's a feminist issue with Finland's - oh hell no, back off hysterical woman, it's a joke! And that's exactly WHY I must analyse these things, because of the outrage that it causes, because people don't like to know that things are questionable, because they (incorrectly) think they must stop liking it and we're trying to take something away from them.

It is not harmful to anyone else that I think this some has deeply sexist ideas. You don't have to agree. You don't have to care. Finding issue with a song doesn't mean you can't like it (I do like it, the tune and the artist are lovely.) You can just acknowledge that it has issues with it. This isn't aimed just right at you, by the way. Some others have said the same sort of things, I chose your quote from convenience. :)
 
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I wonder If the same reaction would be If the song was sung by a male singer...I don't think It would get such a review, because most of the people find it normal that a man can do anything to marry a woman and be the one who propose, but when a woman do it is such a big deal!
Is that the gender equality that people demand?
 
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cegs5 said:
I wonder If the same reaction would be If the song was sung by a male singer...I don't think It would get such a review, because most of the people find it normal that a man can do anything to marry a woman and be the one who propose, but when a woman do it is such a big deal!
Is that the gender equality that people demand?
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If it were sung by a man, it'd be a total subversion. Do men stereotypically skip dinner to get thinner, have coffee with your mother and talk about having cute babies? Therefore it wouldn't be as badly reacted to, because it wouldn't be buying into any stereotypes.

Besides, the song isn't about a woman proposing anyway. Listen to the lyrics: "Am I getting closer [to the proposal]?" "WHERE IS MY PROPOSAL?" She's not asking him to marry her, she's asking him to ask her, basically indeed suggesting that women can't propose themselves...empowering!
 
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CypriotGirl said:
I didn't know that this contest was called Eurovision Poetry Contest...
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(Potentially) offensive (politically, chauvinistically, discriminatingly, in whichever way) content IMHO should not be given a platform in ESC. But I also know that this is not the first case where the EBU does not seem to care.
 
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CC92 said:
This is how many feel about it. Whether or not this applies to you personally is a different kettle of fish.
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No, you just fail to understand the blatantly obvious ironic and comic message of the song.
 
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Yamarus said:
CC92 said:
This is how many feel about it. Whether or not this applies to you personally is a different kettle of fish.
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No, you just fail to understand the blatantly obvious ironic and comic message of the song.
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I do not find it comically. Women that have an attitude like her need help and should not to be ridiculed. Moreover the negative consequences of her behaviour are nowhere depicted in the lyrcis. Krista is portrayed as happy, womanlike, good-looking a bit crazy and over-the-top but in a likable way, definitely not as a deterrent example. And even if intelligent people understood it is bullcrap, don't forget not every Eurovision viewer has an IQ >110.
 
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Waterfall said:
If it were sung by a man, it'd be a total subversion. Do men stereotypically skip dinner to get thinner, have coffee with your mother and talk about having cute babies? Therefore it wouldn't be as badly reacted to, because it wouldn't be buying into any stereotypes.

Besides, the song isn't about a woman proposing anyway. Listen to the lyrics: "Am I getting closer [to the proposal]?" "WHERE IS MY PROPOSAL?" She's not asking him to marry her, she's asking him to ask her, basically indeed suggesting that women can't propose themselves...empowering!
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I had a long converation with member A-lister about this and how feminists don't really appreciate the lyrics and message of the song. Here is the thing, I get that Krista isn't serious and she's only singing the lyrics that were given to her. In no shape or form do I believe her intent is to promote submissive behavior by women.
But by the same token it is totally playing into stereotypes and how women are or "should be" perceived by society. If this was a song about a certain group or minority playing into their stereotypes, I believe there would be a bigger uproar. But the music we listen to in the mainstream charts (Katy Perry being the prime example) certainly is objectifying women so I totally understand why people are turned off by it.

To me it's a love/hate song. I can't deny it's damn catchiness and I catch myself singing oh oh oh oh oh Ding Dong all the time but I'm no fan of the message myself.
 
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Matt said:
But the music we listen to in the mainstream charts (Katy Perry being the prime example) certainly is objectifying women so I totally understand why people are turned off by it.
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That's precisely why this song works so well. It makes fun of Katy Perry-like songs where women are reduced to their obsession with men, money, babies and marriage.
 
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Matt said:
I had a long converation with member A-lister about this and how feminists don't really appreciate the lyrics and message of the song. Here is the thing, I get that Krista isn't serious and she's only singing the lyrics that were given to her. In no shape or form do I believe her intent is to promote submissive behavior by women.
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Actually she wrote the lyrics.
 
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LOL So next time let's report to EBU all the songs with lyrics like. "I'm crazy for you" because It's offensive to say in front of millions of people that someone can get crazy for a man. :geek:

Honestly, It reminds me when Lordi was critized because they were "diabolic" :twisted:
 
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Oh chill people, it's just a harmless song :p At least it makes a change from all the fire/desire cliches we've been tablespoon-fed year in, year out. Just take this song with a pinch of salt!
 
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After reading these comments in past few pages all I can do is to quote Krista: "It's not my fault people don't have a sense of humour."
 
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