Live EUROVISION SONG CONTEST 2022 FINAL DISCUSSION

[Sean]

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[ESC94]

It's not about "background graphics". More than half of the performances can't be executed the way delegations and artists have planned.

Some things don't even make sense anymore. You can't read the lyrics for Romaia and Portugal. Viewers will not understand Poland's performance because they can't see the forest. Same applies to the orange sun in Malta, the vegetables and fruits in Latvia,.the Western scenes and landscape in Estonia, the matching patterns and colours in Ireland, the IT theme for Finland (the black balloons in front of a black background look effing useless).

I personally don't really care about hosts because apart from the voting sequence and explaining how to vote..they are quite useless.
I'm watching a music TV show and I want to see 25 performances...not horribly scripted one liners which have been written by some Swedes thinking that they are funny and a few questions in the green room like "Who are you feeling!?".

The dead sun doesn't look that bad. It's just totally useless,.out of place and a huge disadvantage for several countries which wanted to tell a story or set a mood via LEDs.

I didn´t want to defend anyone, I just wanted to stay optimistic.

Maybe I´m a bit naive, ok??

 

[Mainshow]

Yesterday's countries didn't suffer from the kinetic sun that much (based on the pics) due to their own props..

Today is a completely different story.

Like I've mentioned it earlier (also @Zeus).

The EBU should rearrange the running order so that countries wanting to use the LEDs should perform in a second half so that the kinetic sun can be moved in between.

I love Italy in Eurovision and they can still be nice hosts and I don't want them to not win ever again (this could have happened to any hosts) but this is something serious effecting the chances of 50%+ of the entries

 

[nudiecrudi]

Where is the lie though we know how their hosting in 1991 was tragic and honestly this one hasn't been any better so far

There isn't a single country that comes to mind with this kind of history

After saying so many times that this stage sucks, Italy should not win any more and so and so, at the end of the day what did you get? Nothing.
After all this shit storm, as an Italian, I would prefer Italy to withdraw so all the pain we have caused by daring too much can be paid. Usually you don't beat the dead horse anymore because it's dead.
The only thing super critical fans can do in the future is avoiding Italy to win again and not voting for it. Very simple. But I think it won't work because the non fanatic viewers love Italy with all its contradictions.
By now try to enjoy what you think it will be enjoyable, try to be positive.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

After saying so many times that this stage sucks, Italy should not win any more and so and so, at the end of the day what did you get? Nothing.
After all this shit storm, as an Italian, I would prefer Italy to withdraw so all the pain we have caused by daring too much can be paid. Usually you don't beat the dead horse anymore because it's dead.
The only thing super critical fans can do in the future is avoiding Italy to win again and not voting for it. Very simple. But I think it won't work because the non fanatic viewers love Italy with all its contradictions.
By now try to enjoy what you think it will be enjoyable, try to be positive.

I will agree with a withdrawal, as I said two days ago... Because even if my country wouldn't take part I will always enjoy Eurovision and I will enjoy it even more, without all this drama, like I was used to before we came back in 2011.

 

[Mainshow]

Nah. Italy is here to stay and part of the Eurovision family.
I don't want to miss such a great country gracing us with brilliant and classy entries year by year.

They can host excellent events. The stages of Sanremo looked absolutely amazing in recent years.

This stage concept was too ambitious and didn't work out properly. This can happen to everyone..to any hosts.

I'm just slightly pissed off and outraged that so many performances will suffer from it because because had no time to be prepared.
It's getting really nasty after finding out that the kinetic sun will be moved for interval acts and opening sequences whilst countries such as Estonia, Poland, Malta, Portugal, Lithuania, Latvia, Moldova, Romania suffer from it.

The EBU should have come up with a better plan since the kinetic sun can be moved and will be moved... just not for the most important parts if the shows

 

[ESC94]

I will agree with a withdrawal, as I said two days ago... Because even if my country wouldn't take part I will always enjoy Eurovision and I will enjoy it even more, without all this drama, like I was used to before we came back in 2011.

I can only speak for myself of course, but I would deeply miss your country at the contest.

@Mainshow

I completely agree with you, sadly not all Eurovsision "fans" share this.

Look at the comments there, only on your own risk of course:

Rainbow of death: Broke down "kinetic sun" will remain on Eurovision stage "out of fairness" to all acts

The Eurovision 2022 stage was meant to be built around a sun in motion. But, following a mechanised breakdown, it isn't moving.

wiwibloggs.com

 

[crashworld]

Back to the scheduled posting...

Montenegro's First Rehearsal Clip
https://www.tiktok.com/video/7093512307816353030
Belgium's First Rehearsal Gallery

Belgium First Rehearsal 2022

Jérémie Makiese from Belgium rehearsed his song Miss You for the first time at the PalaOlimpico in Turin.

eurovision.tv

 

[Looren]

Why don't they just cut that kinetic sun and throw it in the garbage can ?

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I can only speak for myself of course, but I would deeply miss your country at the contest.

I know, but right now I'm feeling this way. I'm not even sure if I'm going to watch the event this year, and it's the first time in years. The year we are hosting... I've almost totally lost interest in this year's show and the news are really demoralizing. I would definitely enjoy it more if the contest would not take place in my country and if my country wasn't even there. 2009 and 2010 are still two of my favourite years and we weren't there, so I think It will be ok.

 

[Etanna]

I can't wait to see longer snippets of the performances because despite the technical issues most of the stagings look beautiful to me so far. I really like the stage, it's mermerizing. And it seems that we will get many colourful stagings & costumes which I also appreciate.

 

[Looren]

I can't wait to see longer snippets of the performances because despite the technical issues most of the stagings look beautiful to me so far. I really like the stage, it's mermerizing. And it seems that we will get many colourful stagings & costumes which I also appreciate.

Yeah tbh despite the broken stage most of the stagings looked great !

 

[nudiecrudi]

Nah. Italy is here to stay and part of the Eurovision family.
I don't want to miss such a great country gracing us with brilliant and classy entries year by year.

They can host excellent events. The stages of Sanremo looked absolutely amazing in recent years.

This stage concept was too ambitious and didn't work out properly. This can happen to everyone..to any hosts.

I'm just slightly pissed off and outraged that so many performances will suffer from it because because had no time to be prepared.
It's getting really nasty after finding out that the kinetic sun will be moved for interval acts and opening sequences whilst countries such as Estonia, Poland, Malta, Portugal, Lithuania, Latvia, Moldova, Romania suffer from it.

The EBU should have come up with a better plan since the kinetic sun can be moved and will be moved... just not for the most important parts if the shows

I really appreciate your way of being moderate.
But sincerely this entire story is getting a bit too much. In every platform you go the shit storm becomes even bigger. Everything seems a disaster for the most of the ESC community.
The countries that have been damaged should complain and get some explanations, and reimburse what they have spent. And the most important thing is that they should have the excuses by the hosting broadcast. More than this I don't know what should be done.

 

[ESC94]

I know, but right now I'm feeling this way. I'm not even sure if I'm going to watch the event this year, and it's the first time in years. I've almost totally lost interest in this year's show and the news are really demoralizing. I would definitely enjoy it more if the contest would not take place in my country and if my country wasn't even there. 2009 and 2010 are still two of my favourite years and we weren't there, so I think I will be ok.

I really appreciate your way of being moderate.
But sincerely this entire story is getting a bit too much. In every platform you go the shit storm becomes even bigger. Everything seems a disaster for the most of the ESC community.
The countries that have been damaged should complain and get some explanations, and reimburse what they have spent. And the most important thing is that they should have the excuses by the hosting broadcast. More than this I don't know what should be done.

I understand that reading all these nasty comments can be pretty hard and I would feel the same way if would be hosting and technical issues appear.

But I´m sure that you can still give us a great show and I believe that the huge majority of ESC fans is happy that your country gave us soo many great entries over the years and is looking forward to the contest.

Let me give you a big hug now.

 

[crashworld]

The only way to resolve the issue (besides turning the useless black hole to face the LED side) is for delegations to just use close-up shots. See how it looks for Estonia's performance. But then it will get extremely boring if we just get close-up shots for every performance.

 

[Zeus]

The criticism is about a stage-element that makes the competition unfair, because some countries (relying on LED) will be in disadvantage.

That could happen in whatever year to whatever country. Don't think it's about a (or: your) country. Don't take it personally.

And some people on wiwibloggs or Twitter or whatever saying: ah, Italy again, yeah /care, f them.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I really appreciate your way of being moderate.
But sincerely this entire story is getting a bit too much. In every platform you go the shit storm becomes even bigger. Everything seems a disaster for the most of the ESC community.
The countries that have been damaged should complain and get some explanations, and reimburse what they have spent. And the most important thing is that they should have the excuses by the hosting broadcast. More than this I don't know what should be done.

If our Broadcaster doesn't find out a situation to solve this problem or, in case they didn't find it, to publicly apologize with the delegations for the inconvenience I will never ever forgive them in first place too.

 

[Zeus]

Belgium once again serving a bland staging it seems.

This song really needs a strong staging and performance.

 

[Looren]

Belgium once again serving a bland staging it seems.

This song really needs a strong staging and performance.

Yeah the pics really looked bland, I smell an NQ incoming

 

[popavapeur]

it's a disaster and that's it, don't be searching for an answer outside, here it is: it's a total disaster.

Now does it look THAT bad : no
Does every performer suffer from that issue : no
Is the show gonna be an absolute trash : not at all
Should I read every comment as an italian on sites I know people are toxic : not a good idea if you ask me
Should I be dramatic and wishing my country to withdraw next year : you should withdraw from the internet that's for sure

ANYWAY Mainshow said it all basically. I do think it's screwing some countries chances and will help others and let's see this in a positive way : it's gonna make the results more unpredictable and the winner will be decided on its song, its delivery and what the country was able to make out of this issue. It's destiny (not from last year though).


I thought about making a post prod like Italy did in Portugal with the lyrics ? Like that could be done for the countries that need the lyrics to come across in some way or purpose ? That could easily be done and Romania or Portugal for example are less screwed. It's kinda cheap but better than having your word split in half.

 

[jatojo]

The criticism is about a stage-element that makes the competition unfair, because some countries (relying on LED) will be in disadvantage.

That could happen in whatever year to whatever country. Don't think it's about a (or: your) country. Don't take it personally.

And some people on wiwibloggs or Twitter or whatever saying: ah, Italy again, yeah /care, f them.

I agree. It's sort of a "We think it's bad because we know" phenomenon. If we had slept until the shows and didn't get any information about the problems, we probably wouldn't notice a thing once the lights were on (literally!). It's sort of like when we watch the NF's and find that the wrong entry is picked - that influences some people's view on the entry while it might in fact have been "better" not to know about what had happened.