Eurovision 2014: Confirmed Countries

[A-lister]

The televoters are equally open minded now and 5 years ago. It's just that some years ago the bloc countries were actually sending the strongest songs (in general) while the "victims" (big five, some western countries....) were sending poor songs. So the bloc voting looked bigger.

Now those countries are usually sending better songs, so the difference is not that big.

This is very true aswell, I remember the bad loser mentality of many countries (hello BBC I'm looking at ya!), yet if one actually opened their eyes (and ears) it was apparent what countries that actually put effort...

Unfortunately, I feel like the juries are put her to "save" weaker western entries and to make ESC less diverse in terms of music to cater to western veiwers, because the quality (and diversity) since 2009 has imo declined rapidly... 2012 was great though (probably a fluke).

 

[DanielLuis]

The televoters are equally open minded now and 5 years ago. It's just that some years ago the bloc countries were actually sending the strongest songs (in general) while the "victims" (big five, some western countries....) were sending poor songs. So the bloc voting looked bigger.

Now those countries are usually sending better songs, so the difference is not that big.

That is true. The United Kingdom is a great example, with BBC whining they had bad results, it was unfair et cetera, with the same happening in the comment boxes of British websites, while they had the worst entries in every year. It was hilarious to see peopple commenting things like "the UK will never win because it's all rigged for the east blah blah blah", they probably hadn't even seen the contest and heard their song but still dropped in to comment.

 

[DanielLuis]

I will tell you only one thing.
The diaspora gave 12 points to Dracula last year in Italy,
but in 50-50 system,Romania got only 1 point from Italy.

True that, and it was because of the whole ranking system, isntead of the 1-12 previous system.
By the way, will the voting this year stay the same? Withe juries and the televoters ranking all songs 1st-26th and then combining, isntead of the top ten getting 1-12?

 

[ParadiseES]

True that, and it was because of the whole ranking system, isntead of the 1-12 previous system.
By the way, will the voting this year stay the same? Withe juries and the televoters ranking all songs 1st-26th and then combining, isntead of the top ten getting 1-12?

I guess it will remain the same, since we have no news about it.

 

[GRE]

True that, and it was because of the whole ranking system, isntead of the 1-12 previous system.
By the way, will the voting this year stay the same? Withe juries and the televoters ranking all songs 1st-26th and then combining, isntead of the top ten getting 1-12?

Yes it will be the same.

 

[A-lister]

Yes it will be the same.

Unfortunately

It's a stupid system and it's easier to make fishy voting (as far as juries go) with this system... the old one was far better.

 

[GRE]

Its far more fair in my opinion.

 

[A-lister]

Its far more fair in my opinion.

Really? Now it's easier to manipulate votes, I can't see how it's any "fairer"

 

[ParadiseES]

I also prefer 10000 times this new system, so that juries can't prevent diaspora voting when the song is not good enough. Just like Italy and Spain did last year with the Romanian song

Also, juries won't be able to put their favourite high if that song is in the bottom of the public.

 

[A-lister]

I also prefer 10000 times this new system, so that juries can't prevent diaspora voting when the song is not good enough. Just like Italy and Spain did last year with the Romanian song

Also, juries won't be able to put their favourite high if that song is in the bottom of the public.

So you prefer a system where the juries can manipulate the votes? Where some countries' can put "enemy countries'" entries in the bottom or simply try to erase competition for their entries (or for entries from countries that bribed them)?

This system screams manipulation... now the juries have time to sit through and strategically elaborate with the rankings and have more input in the results... the same manipulation is impossible to be made with the public vote though (unless someone is changing the votes registered, but that seems less likely).

 

[ParadiseES]

So you prefer a system where the juries can manipulate the votes? Where some countries' can put "enemy countries'" entries in the bottom or simply try to erase competition for their entries (or for entries from countries that bribed them)?

I prefer a system where juries have more power to prevent diaspora votes, which don't reflect the reality of the country. I don't want Romania (in my case) to get at least 7-8 points from my country no matter the song they sent, I want them to get them only when they deserve.
Even more if we're getting the full results and we can judge every single juror

 

[A-lister]

I prefer a system where juries have more power to prevent diaspora votes, which don't reflect the reality of the country. I don't want Romania (in my case) to get at least 7-8 points from my country no matter the song they sent, I want them to get them only when they deserve.
Even more if we're getting the full results and we can judge every single juror

Looking at the general televoting tables of lately, I think people are exaggerating the whole diaspora voting phenomena. It's obviously still there, and it IS a problem (especially if entries that do not deserve much support gets it solely based on diaspora), but tbh I don't the juries have done much to prevent it anyways (sure in some single cases, but not from a general perspective) nor do I think the juries should be here solely for that reason, they should be musical "experts" and vote for entries that might get overlooked but having musical worth or adding something to the contest (and I think we got enough proof that the juries aren't really supportive of anything that is out of the western and conventional norm much anyways).

I don't think it's fair, how small portions of people not just have equal say as millions, but even more say and have the possibility to even manipulate the outcome even more with this current system. It's obviously an issue for the credibility of a contest if we have juries that are "fixing" the rankings to favor certain entries or countries rather than ranking solely on musical taste and "expertise". We shouldn't applaud systems which gives corruption and fishy behavior an upper-hand.

 

[ParadiseES]

^
I think you're being too dramatic anyway

 

[A-lister]

^
I think you're being too dramatic anyway

Maybe...

Still though, I do not "trust" these people and having a system that gives them even further power to elaborate with the outcome is hardly going to give them or the contest in general more credibility.

Can't people who wanted juries back be just happy with them ranking a top. 10? Now they actually got even more powers. Sure on paper it looks as if it's 50/50, but as I wrote it's not possible to elaborate with televoting the same way as it's possible with jury voting.

 

[DanielLuis]

I wouldn't mind the 1-12 system to be honest.

 

[GRE]

Ι am very disappointed about the fact that semifinals (at least one of them) will have only 15 countries,and 10 of them will go to the Grand Final.
In my opinion EBU should re-consider this,and make the finalists 9 or even 8 from each Semi.

 

[Jim]

Ι am very disappointed about the fact that semifinals (at least one of them) will have only 15 countries,and 10 of them will go to the Grand Final.
In my opinion EBU should re-consider this,and make the finalists 9 or even 8 from each Semi.

I can't understand which is the problem. What if we'll have 26 or 24 songs in the final? I can't understand the difference... :?

 

[pyryniemi]

I like the new system, but it definitely needs some changes, like having all the countries that finish lower than 19th get the placing 19th (so that the juries/televotes can't COMPLETELY destroy each other's favourites)

 

[Sean]

Ι am very disappointed about the fact that semifinals (at least one of them) will have only 15 countries,and 10 of them will go to the Grand Final.
In my opinion EBU should re-consider this,and make the finalists 9 or even 8 from each Semi.

More songs in the final = more happy broadcasters.

 

[GWTW1939]

More songs in the final = more happy broadcasters.

Yeah but can you imagine being one of the five that didn't pass 1

I mean imagine if a country like San Marino who never reaches the final or Austria/Portugal who rarely do still fail! If they can't get to the final when only five get eliminated then what hope is there they ever will . Not good for a country's morale, might as well just give up all together and withdraw xdoh