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In a bad dream...

Yeah, Gaga wishes she wouldn't take herself too seriously... I like Gaga but she lacks self-awareness and a sense of humor... anyways there's nothing to compare here, one is making gimmicky Euro-dance pop especially aimed for the "Russian" market with typical local elements, one is an American gimmicky-pop act aiming for the worldwide market. There's nothing to compare here other than they're both females...
 

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Hungary is in, and so is Israel!
 

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No news from :am:, :az: and :ua:? Not that I doubt their participation, but it's strange there's no news from any one of them or is it just me?
 

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No news from :am:, :az: and :ua:? Not that I doubt their participation, but it's strange there's no news from any one of them or is it just me?

Ukraine has said most likely. But Azerbaijan is strange indeed. Shouldn't their NF have started already?
 

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Ukraine has said most likely. But Azerbaijan is strange indeed. Shouldn't their NF have started already?

Not unless they're ditching eurovision for Turkvision *fingers crossed* They might be doing an internal selection this year for some reason. If they've usually confirmed by now then i'm hoping they're planning on withdrawing.
 

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Not unless they're ditching eurovision for Turkvision *fingers crossed* They might be doing an internal selection this year for some reason. If they've usually confirmed by now then i'm hoping they're planning on withdrawing.

They'll probably enter Turkvision but that doesn't mean they'll withdraw from the ESC. I can't see Ictimai withdrawing at all as all they want is to promote Azerbaijan internationally and the ESC always is a good platform for that. But who knows.
 

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Could Azerbaijan be waiting to see if the EBU punishes them for vote-rigging? If they got kicked out (which seems unlikely to me), they could pretend in their local media that they never intended to enter and go to Turkvision instead.
 

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Could Azerbaijan be waiting to see if the EBU punishes them for vote-rigging? If they got kicked out (which seems unlikely to me), they could pretend in their local media that they never intended to enter and go to Turkvision instead.

They won't get punished and therefor not kicked out...
 

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They'll probably enter Turkvision but that doesn't mean they'll withdraw from the ESC. I can't see Ictimai withdrawing at all as all they want is to promote Azerbaijan internationally and the ESC always is a good platform for that. But who knows.

Oh yes because ESC has helped to promote them and improve their standing internationally...
 

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Oh yes because ESC has helped to promote them and improve their standing internationally...

It has. Hundreds of millions of people watch the ESC, including the one in 2012, that was hosted by them, and full of their "propaganda" (not really propaganda, but promotion of their tourism) as well. While only a few people outside the ESC fandom heard about the alleged corruption scandals, that mostly made online sites only. (In Portugal it didn't even make the online news)
 

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Well they don't have a good reputation in the UK. Any sort they had was decimated by a BBC programme which looked into the corruption, scandal etc just before eurovision 2012, and not only today an Azerbajaini was arrested for involvement in a terrorist plot. So it isn't looking good for them. Most probably all the bad press they've had here is the only reason they ever got 5 points out of us in all years they've been in ESC. :lol:
 

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Well they don't have a good reputation in the UK. Any sort they had was decimated by a BBC programme which looked into the corruption, scandal etc just before eurovision 2012, and not only today an Azerbajaini was arrested for involvement in a terrorist plot. So it isn't looking good for them. Most probably all the bad press they've had here is the only reason they ever got 5 points out of us in all years they've been in ESC. :lol:

The UK is not the whole Europe.
It's obvious one of the biggest reasons they participate is to promote themselves in Europe. It's dumb to say that isn't so, as most countries participate at least a little bit because of this. Now wether or not it is working is another question. But unless they are disqualified, I can't see Ictimai withdrawing.
 

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In 2012, there was huge media harassment against Azerbaijan also in Germany and other western European countries. NDR's dumb commentator as well as their jury spokesperson kept talking about it even during the live broadcast. :lol:
It clearly didn't help them to raise their reputation in the west. Before Eurovision many probably did not know about their existance, now they must think of it as a human rights violating totalitarian régime.
 

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The UK is not the whole Europe.
It's obvious one of the biggest reasons they participate is to promote themselves in Europe. It's dumb to say that isn't so, as most countries participate at least a little bit because of this. Now wether or not it is working is another question. But unless they are disqualified, I can't see Ictimai withdrawing.

I never said they didn't join to promote themselves, i said it wasn't working well for them, and its not just whats been shown in UK and Germany apparently, but the whole cheating scandal this year, every year they're accused of something, and these scandals are hardly unique to the UK. it goes Global, it wouldn't surprise if they have had enough of being on the receiving hand of accusations every year.

Before Eurovision many probably did not know about their existance, now they must think of it as a human rights violating totalitarian régime.

Definitely, with all that is shown on the television and found on line, thats the exact image portrayed to the world. They've tried to make themselves look like highly advance equal country, when they're anything but.
 

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I don't want to involve myself further into this discussion since it's a bit off-topic and my response will be further off-topic, but I have to come to Azerbaijan's defense here (again I know it's off-topic but I dunno where to put this response otherwise). Sure, they're no democracy and they've acted shady in ESC since they joined and most probably got away with it because of $$$, however things aren't that black and white as some here put it. While western countries allow radical forms of islam to grow and influence (because of the loopholes in the democratic systems), Azerbaijan is emphasizing on secularism and in this case we have to be thankful that they are "totalitarian" with a secularist mindset, because atleast the regime there is fighting against terrorism and fundamentalism. Westerners are very naive regarding democracy as a system, and although I'm pro-democracy, there are flaws in such a system aswell. Just take a look at Egypt where a short-lived period of "democracy" was taken advantage by non-democratic fundamentalist forces that eventually would gain power thanks to democratic loopholes, is that what you people want in Azerbaijan aswell? The democratic system is filled with loopholes and before we have fixed those in the west, we shouldn't point fingers at other countries that are far better dealing with these matters than we are.

As for ESC however, yes I think countries should be judged by the same rules and I feel like EBU have given Azerbaijan plenty of free-passes because of some under-the-table bribery, so here I guess I agree with you guys, but the whole democracy talk I just had to step in and defend Azerbaijan because it's clearly not as simplistic as put here and by western media.
 

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I don't want to involve myself further into this discussion since it's a bit off-topic and my response will be further off-topic, but I have to come to Azerbaijan's defense here (again I know it's off-topic but I dunno where to put this response otherwise). Sure, they're no democracy and they've acted shady in ESC since they joined and most probably got away with it because of $$$, however things aren't that black and white as some here put it. While western countries allow radical forms of islam to grow and influence (because of the loopholes in the democratic systems), Azerbaijan is emphasizing on secularism and in this case we have to be thankful that they are "totalitarian" with a secularist mindset, because atleast the regime there is fighting against terrorism and fundamentalism. Westerners are very naive regarding democracy as a system, and although I'm pro-democracy, there are flaws in such a system aswell. Just take a look at Egypt where a short-lived period of "democracy" was taken advantage by non-democratic fundamentalist forces that eventually would gain power thanks to democratic loopholes, is that what you people want in Azerbaijan aswell? The democratic system is filled with loopholes and before we have fixed those in the west, we shouldn't point fingers at other countries that are far better dealing with these matters than we are.

You hold a valid point, Its "democracy" or Secular dictatorship, Afghanistan and Iran are other examples of Secular states (once), but went off the rails. Western countries preach democracy as the course but continuously fund dictatorships and absolute monarchies like in Saudi Arabia etc. In the case of Egypt, they're somewhat a secular state under the dictatorial regimes, and when democracy was introduced radical influences began to be introduced splitting the country. I guess some countries work better and more "tolerable" under dictatorships. If Azerbaijan wasn't Secular then i guess we wouldn't find them in ESC.

ANYWAYYYYY this is completely wrong thread for the discussion going on and the way its developing. So before it takes over the entire thread i guess it should be moved to somewhere else or ended here.
 

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You hold a valid point, Its "democracy" or Secular dictatorship, Afghanistan and Iran are other examples of Secular states (once), but went off the rails. Western countries preach democracy as the course but continuously fund dictatorships and absolute monarchies like in Saudi Arabia etc. In the case of Egypt, they're somewhat a secular state under the dictatorial regimes, and when democracy was introduced radical influences began to be introduced splitting the country. I guess some countries work better and more "tolerable" under dictatorships. If Azerbaijan wasn't Secular then i guess we wouldn't find them in ESC.

ANYWAYYYYY this is completely wrong thread for the discussion going on and the way its developing. So before it takes over the entire thread i guess it should be moved to somewhere else or ended here.

Yes, that's my point, what's the lesser of two evils here? a secular dictatorship or a fundamentalist state? (the latter is no democracy either btw). Not that I think Azerbaijan would turn into the latter either because those forces aren't that influential there to begin with, but for sure they would gain more room and power if "democracy" would be introduced.

Yes, I agree, and that was my point aswell. There can be said much about Azerbaijan, but this is not the right place to have this discussion, I just felt I needed to defend them a bit after all the "bashing" because things aren't that black or white.

However, in an ESC context, I do agree with the notion in here that they got away with too much already.
 

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Bulgaria confirmed

In one way I don't understand that they still want to be in a contest where juries vote against them for picking genuine entries, but I guess I'm happy they still give it a chance.
 
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