Do you like the new voting system?

[Franco]

If I were a country that was constantly at the bottom of the scoreboard or even flops just one year I wouldn't like this new system at all. It's like having a brighter spotlight put on your failure. Being forced to walk out the front door in front of all the press instead of being allowed to quietly walk through the back with dignity. If I were bottom 5 or whatever I wouldn't want my failure to be magnified more then it already is. I would even apply it to those who finish mid-table, its disheartening.

They keep stating they want to put on a better show but all their doing is the opposite.

Because they only care about the winner.
They don't realize that some viewers may actually be interested in what happens in the middle of the scoreboard. If entry X ends above or below entry Y. If Z ends on the left or on the right side of the scoreboard. If K reaches the top10 and if J manages to avoid the last spot.

 

[Gogerko]

LOVE new system. It will be so much more interesting to watch.

 

[Franco]

According to http://eurofestivalnews.com/2016/02...09-ad-oggi-con-il-nuovo-sistema-di-votazione/
with the new system, Valentina wouldn't have qualified for the final in 2014.
We would have missed the most touching moment of Eurovision ever.

 

[DanielLuis]

Read this on youtube:

"This voting system gives more opportunities for jury to manipulate the results and dishonoured televoting."

People are really talking without even thinking. This system gives exactly the same power to the jury as it gives to the televoting. Before, the juries had more power than now because they could rank a song 27th in their country's voting and destroy it's chances of getting points even if they finished 1st in the televoting, while now they don't have that power anymore.

 

[SpZ]

I think that it is really lame that now the countries are represented 100% by the juries (graphically at least) while the televote is (graphically) separated from individual countries and form a gray mass.
People get no indication at all about who people from their country voted for, unless the bother to go online to read the results that appear like 2 days after the contest. And I can imagine the newspaper headlines going like: Germany gave their 12 points to Serbia (while in reality it was only the jury and the televote ranked it 15th). But people will believe it because it is shown so on the actual show.

 

[eerik]

 

[theditz83]

What I need clarification on is whether the jury spokespeople will just announce the 12 points as mentioned in the SVT video or whether they will announce 1 through to 12 points from the jury as per the other description video uploaded to the ESC YouTube page - does anyone know?

Personally I will reserve judgement until we see it in action in Stockholm. You can't know how exciting it will be until we've seen it properly in action. And personally I've always found the MF final voting results more exciting than most ESC voting results so I don't see a major issue.

 

[Chorizo]

The presentation will focus more on the juries, which is not that great. At the same time, the power of the juries will actually be limited and the voting system changes because the juries and televote can't cancel each other out anymore. Theoretically, each country could vote for 20 different countries now. That maximum isn't realistic but we will see more countries receiving votes, which is good. The problem is that neighbor voting and diaspora voting of the the audience cannot be stopped by the juries anymore. This awful aspect of the voting will just be hidden with the new system while becoming more influential again.

The new system could be either more exciting or the opposite. It depends on how the audience and the juries vote. If there is a runaway winner, we might first have the same boring and predicable voting that we have seen in previous years and then the voting would be dragged out even further by the televote.
So I don't think that the new system is necessarily more exciting.

The only new exciting aspect is wondering if the televote agrees with the jury or not. In most years that was the case.

So I'm undecided if it will be better or not. I give the new system a chance but I'm not sure if it will really make the voting more interesting. I don't want the first part of the voting to become too anti-climactic.

The first part of the voting will be much less predictable this year because all the predictable neighbor and diaspora votes will be hidden in the second part of the voting. This feels like hiding a problem instead of addressing it.
MF isn't affected by neighbor and diaspora voting like Eurovision is.

I'm very skeptical of only the 12 points being announced as it feels anticlimactic but it's the logical consequence. Otherwise, the first part of the voting would be as long as the voting used to be and then there would be another 10 to 15 minutes for the second part. They won't do that but make the first part shorter instead. Of course, they could start the voting before they have calculated the televote results to save time.

It's also odd if San Marino's televote will always be based on the televote of other countries.

 

[Chorizo]

I feel sorry for the country who comes last, having to sit through the televoting part while all 25 other countries are announced and they basically know their fate...

Graham Norton: "Another 5 points from the televote and we are in the double digits. Our best result in years! Now let's look how the other 25 countries are doing. In the meantime I will give you the names of our tech staff, which I am contractually obliged to do."

 

[tsegaye]

I just don't like the fact that the maximum points will be higher, I like to compare different years with eachother but now it will be much harder... Besides that I think I'm slightly optimistic about the change.

 

[Leydan]

Graham Norton: "Another 5 points from the televote and we are in the double digits. Our best result in years! Now let's look how the other 25 countries are doing. In the meantime I will give you the names of our tech staff, which I am contractually obliged to do."

Not gonna lie, I was thinking of the UK when I typed that. It's going to be us who come last this time round and have the experience of watching everyone rise above us.

 

[DanielLuis]

I think that it is really lame that now the countries are represented 100% by the juries (graphically at least) while the televote is (graphically) separated from individual countries and form a gray mass.
People get no indication at all about who people from their country voted for, unless the bother to go online to read the results that appear like 2 days after the contest. And I can imagine the newspaper headlines going like: Germany gave their 12 points to Serbia (while in reality it was only the jury and the televote ranked it 15th). But people will believe it because it is shown so on the actual show.

The EBU said they will give an option for each broadcaster to show their full results at the end of the show.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

So as the spokesperson from each country comes up, that country's jury vote and televote will displayed, but only the jury vote will be allocated to the scoreboard at that time? Is that how it works? :?

I still can't help thinking that this is all the wrong way round. It should be the televote that each country gives individually, then just collate the jury vote - after all, the juries are unrepresentative anyway, so I am quite content for the UK's jury vote to be lumped together with the likes of Russia. But I'm not really content at my own televote being lumped together with other countries, it will definitely put me off voting personally. Whether it's true or not, you do feel as though you will have less impact on the result. In the past you always knew that if you voted for certain entries you would definitely be contributing to them getting points from us.

For instance in 2014, when I voted for Poland, I felt that my vote would definitely be contributing to giving them a chance of douze points as the butter churners would be loved by the Brits. But now, with my vote appearing to be lumped together with people from different countries who often have different tastes, I will definitely feel as though my vote has less impact.

And if we use the Poland example again, the verdict of the UK in 2014 was indeed 12 points to Poland. But under this system it will look like 0 points. Our televotes would only go to them anonymously.

 

[tuorem]

I think they will still be able to break down the actual national televotes graphically. Something like this would do...

I get what you mean, but they'll have to show a map of Europe - instead of the final scoreboard - because the countries that didn't qualify wouldn't be represented otherwise That's my main concern, I fear that we may just see an amount of points without any indication about where they come from. If they succeed in including a map, I would be ok with it, that way we would know how many countries voted for a particular entry at least.

 

[Chorizo]

And if we use the Poland example again, the verdict of the UK in 2014 was indeed 12 points to Poland. But under this system it will look like 0 points. Our televotes would only go to them anonymously.

In the old system, the UK gave zero points to Poland. In the new system, the UK would have given 12 points to Poland and Graham Norton could gave told the audience that at the end of the show.

 

[Cyberbliss]

Because that's been done for the past 40 years and if they got rid of that I think almost no one would be happy

Don't misunderstand me, I DO want the presenters to appear, I just have some doubts about what they will be saying

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

In the old system, the UK gave zero points to Poland. In the new system, the UK would have given 12 points to Poland and Graham Norton could gave told the audience that at the end of the show.

Yeah, but that was an example of a MAJOR flaw with the old system - I don't want the new system to do the exact same thing!!

He can but to me it doesn't seem the same.

 

[GWTW1939]

Not gonna lie, I was thinking of the UK when I typed that. It's going to be us who come last this time round and have the experience of watching everyone rise above us.

You just jinxed the UK

 

[tuorem]

You just jinxed the UK

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[HawkAussie]

If it was the other way round, i would be interested then.