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LalehForWD

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Yeah, because good bands/singers don't want to take part in this :) If we look at Czech national finals in 2007 and 2008, none of the participants were big names in our music (except for Kabát and Čechomor). Most of the singers are unsuccessful former Idol contestants. The more famous and respected names who were approached by our broadcaster refused this offer of taking part in our NF.

Besides, :cz: mainstream music really sucks, all Czechs are aware of this :D Czech radios and major record labels are the ones to blame - they don't support newcomers so it's mostly all the same crappy singers who sing for decades here, not many new faces. There are so many petitions and protest-songs by some artists against this "czech radio mafia".
That's why so many independent labels were founded in recent years and the situation gets better a little bit.

And some genres are almost extinct in CZ music. There were some attempts at doing czech rnb, it ended with failure. And you would have a hard time finding some "pure pop" music here, not even talking about pop ballads.
Rock/harder forms of rock music, rap/hip-hop and folk-rock singer-songwriters are the most popular here. E.g. latest album of Tomáš Klus, released last year, has been at #1 for 23 weeks (It's still number one this week)

Sad thing is that ESC is still ignored and image of Eurovision is really bad (And that's not only because of our bad placings. Some people in this forum called us 'sore losers'. I don't think we can be sore losers if most people don't really care. And those who cared were really embarrassed after our 2008 and 2009 participations and they even called for withdrawal, 'to stop this embarrassment in front of the whole world'). It seems like it will never change.

2007 Kabát - Malá dáma
2008 Tereza Kerndlova - Have Some Fun
2009 Gipsy.cz - Aven Romale

Of these, only Malá dáma is a serious attempt and the studio version is rather good. The actual live performance was terrible though, middle aged men trying to look like young rockers, fake digging to playback - ultraboring:(. To be frank, one could say you tried only once and it failed due to bad performance. What did the Czech people expect? Portugal has graced this competition for 50 years without winning. I usually like their songs and everybody in Europe knows what a Fado is. The most successful, Ireland has won 7 times in 50 years. Winning ESC isn't the main component, it's the chance to show your country's cultural excellence to 100 million Europeans. Showing crap or not take the chance at all is utterly stupid.

I suggest: Send a team playing traditional Czech folk-music every year. I think people will love it and the Czech Republic will participate with elegance and honour :).
 

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2007 Kabát - Malá dáma
2008 Tereza Kerndlova - Have Some Fun
2009 Gipsy.cz - Aven Romale

Of these, only Malá dáma is a serious attempt and the studio version is rather good. The actual live performance was terrible though, middle aged men trying to look like young rockers, fake digging to playback - ultraboring:(. To be frank, one could say you tried only once and it failed due to bad performance. What did the Czech people expect? Portugal has graced this competition for 50 years without winning. I usually like their songs and everybody in Europe knows what a Fado is. The most successful, Ireland has won 7 times in 50 years. Winning ESC isn't the main component, it's the chance to show your country's cultural excellence to 100 million Europeans. Showing crap or not take the chance at all is utterly stupid.

I suggest: Send a team playing traditional Czech folk-music every year. I think people will love it and the Czech Republic will participate with elegance and honour :).

Well, write this to our national broadcaster ;) I know that winning it's not that important and if we want to success, we have to try every year, but when we have broadcaster like this. And Czech musicians refuse to take part in ESC, which I don't get either. They could show their music to over 100 million people...
Is there any possibility that commercial TV stations could apply instead of our national broadcaster?

And as I've said before, Czech people expected failure with our entries. We hated our 2008 and 2009 performances. 2007 is a different story, Kabát is the most successful czech band ever, it was a no-brainer they would win our national final. Most of the people had no idea that Lordi won previous year (but I'm not saying that Kabát's performance was flawless).

Yeah, czech folk music would be nice... I voted for Čechomor in our 2008 NF ;)
 

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Well, write this to our national broadcaster ;) I know that winning it's not that important and if we want to success, we have to try every year, but when we have broadcaster like this. And Czech musicians refuse to take part in ESC, which I don't get either. They could show their music to over 100 million people...
Is there any possibility that commercial TV stations could apply instead of our national broadcaster?

And as I've said before, Czech people expected failure with our entries. We hated our 2008 and 2009 performances. 2007 is a different story, Kabát is the most successful czech band ever, it was a no-brainer they would win our national final. Most of the people had no idea that Lordi won previous year (but I'm not saying that Kabát's performance was flawless).

Yeah, czech folk music would be nice... I voted for Čechomor in our 2008 NF ;)

Yes, I read the thread and it seems there are some unsuitable people in charge. But this situation can change very quickly, so a Czech lobby group can perhaps do wonders, who knows ;).
 

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In Bulgaria Eurovision also has contradictory image (mainly due to our 5 consecutive failures and only 1 final in 8 participations). But despite that our broadcaster refuse to accept the defeat and to give up. IMO, Czech has to do the same. They tried only 3 times, so it's was early to cross out the contest for long time, as they did.
If they try to build strategy, maybe will be totally different.
 

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The Czech should come back with a vengeance next year and bring Poland with them ;D
 

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I strongly believe that the Czech Republic will return next year!
 

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In Bulgaria Eurovision also has contradictory image (mainly due to our 5 consecutive failures and only 1 final in 8 participations). But despite that our broadcaster refuse to accept the defeat and to give up. IMO, Czech has to do the same. They tried only 3 times, so it's was early to cross out the contest for long time, as they did.
If they try to build strategy, maybe will be totally different.

Yeah, that's a great attitude that your broadcaster has. Unfortunately, our broadcaster is not that motivated. I don't know how to change their mind and convince them. We (czech ESC fans) have tried to email them and write them all the reasons why we should join ESC again, but they don't seem to really care.

Some positive things - Czech websites and TVs informed about this year's ESC very often - it was really surprising to me. Although most of the articles / TV reports focused on Azerbaijan and their issue of human rights, it was still better than nothing. And the #1 commercial czech TV aired this report about ESC in their main news programme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frYymqYhJys And they didn't say anything bad about ESC! That was really shocking. That's why I asked if there is any possibility that commercial TVs could apply for ESC.

If we returned, I honestly have no idea which artist we could send... I think they would all fail again (not because bloc voting / underrating our entries), I just think that our music isn't that appealing to most of ESC viewers.
 

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chech rep. would do so well with a half decent song, 2008 was a nice song but the worst performance of that year without a doubt, and 2009 was the equivalent of estonia in 2008 (leto svet) and montenegro of 2012, entries that are there for a laugh.

i hope they try again.
 

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Yeah, that's a great attitude that your broadcaster has. Unfortunately, our broadcaster is not that motivated. I don't know how to change their mind and convince them. We (czech ESC fans) have tried to email them and write them all the reasons why we should join ESC again, but they don't seem to really care.

Maybe you can try to find someone, who supports ESC in CT, no matter of his/her position. Then you have to be more active and to refresh the interest in ESC in the whole society. In Bulgaria we do it by writing many articles about different aspects of ESC, which we send to all media and they post them.
Our fan society is not bigger than your's but it's very, very active and our broadcaster appreciate it very much. Maybe you have to offer CT some ideas, strategy for their participartion, but firstly the public interest have to be increased and I'm sure that you can do much for this. ;)

Good luck Czech republic, hope to you see you again in ESC in the forseeable future :)
 

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I hope, Czech rebpublic will enter Eurovision again, even if their entries in 2007-2009 were crap.
 

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The Czech Republic had a certain attitude towards the contest since the 90s, that means something, I bet TV station bosses changed a lot and the country still didn't want to participate. When they did, they sent crappy songs. CR is one country they will never consider ESC a serious competition.
 

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according to 99 % people in Slovakia all Eurovision songs are crappy songs. Therefore nobody watch this competition.
According to me, some songs are really good.
The same will be in Czech republic.

But it is true that crappy songs from different countries are perceived differently.

The Czech Republic had a certain attitude towards the contest since the 90s, that means something, I bet TV station bosses changed a lot and the country still didn't want to participate. When they did, they sent crappy songs. CR is one country they will never consider ESC a serious competition.
 

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according to 99 % people in Slovakia all Eurovision songs are crappy songs. Therefore nobody watch this competition.
According to me, some songs are really good.
The same will be in Czech republic.

But it is true that crappy songs from different countries are perceived differently.

And the only reason is that any of the 2 countries didn't receive a high position any year? In my opinion you should try, but you must treat ESC more seriously.
 

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As much as I'd love to see Czech Republic back I don't really find it realistic. And honestly, I don't blame the broadcasters (Czech as well as Polish) for showing lack of interest in this contest. It all starts in public, the broadcaster can show as much commitment as possible, but if the viewers aren't there...then it's not much worth of a try for them, I guess.

It kinda sounds like the image and overall view of ESC is pretty similar to our situation in Denmark, yet we manage to scrape through the final every year for some oddly reason. I'm hopeful we might see a return of Czech Republic if Slovakia starts getting the credit they deserve and always have deserved. Till then, Czech Republic will remain a forgotten piece of ESC-history who never really lived up their full potential (I liked both 2007 and 2009 though).

Countries like Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, and to some extend Hungary, are all quite alone in the sense that neither of them belong to any block. Culturally, politically, mentally etc. they seem to be too Western to be Eastern, and too Eastern to be Western. They're neither one thing nor the other and as politically incorrect it may sound, belonging to a block can in fact be quite vital. As long as the Czech broadcaster sees no improvement result-wise in ESC for the countries surrounding them (especially Slovakia), then the future doesn't look too bright for the Czech ESC-fans.

Sadly, 'cause I'd love to have them back. :(
 

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according to 99 % people in Slovakia all Eurovision songs are crappy songs. Therefore nobody watch this competition.
According to me, some songs are really good.
The same will be in Czech republic.

Usually sore-losers use that "Eurovision is generally crappy" as defense-mechanism. As for Slovakia, I can get why they're sore, because they REALLY had great entries and were overlooked. Czech though, have no reason to be bitter.
 

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Usually sore-losers use that "Eurovision is generally crappy" as defense-mechanism. As for Slovakia, I can get why they're sore, because they REALLY had great entries and were overlooked. Czech though, have no reason to be bitter.

Here we go again. I don't think we are "bitter". I've written about this in my previous posts ;) Czechs haven't liked it from the very beginning. Don't know why. Maybe because music genres that are most common and most popular in the ESC are not so popular here? And I agree with AdelAdel, ESC will never be taken seriously here. Even if we won, ESC would be treated just as some TV show á la The X Factor etc. I've seen many Czechs on the internet wondering why ESC is so important for some eastern european/balkan countries, why even politicians discuss it in the parliament etc.
I just think that Czechs are not that much into all those ballads and pop/dance songs and they'd rather go to a Kabát concert or to pub.
I posted a status update on my Facebook about Loreen winning ESC last week. Some of my friends asked me what is ESC. Something is wrong.
 

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yes, you´re right, something is wrong also in Slovakia. If you will ask here on 1 Eurovision winner, maybe you get the answer ABBA, but only maybe :mrgreen:
 

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Here we go again. I don't think we are "bitter". I've written about this in my previous posts ;) Czechs haven't liked it from the very beginning. Don't know why. Maybe because music genres that are most common and most popular in the ESC are not so popular here? And I agree with AdelAdel, ESC will never be taken seriously here. Even if we won, ESC would be treated just as some TV show á la The X Factor etc. I've seen many Czechs on the internet wondering why ESC is so important for some eastern european/balkan countries, why even politicians discuss it in the parliament etc.
I just think that Czechs are not that much into all those ballads and pop/dance songs and they'd rather go to a Kabát concert or to pub.
I posted a status update on my Facebook about Loreen winning ESC last week. Some of my friends asked me what is ESC. Something is wrong.

Still don't understand what makes Czech such an exception in whole Europe, doesn't make sense. I still believe that out of 10 million people, there's always some demand for something like this.
 

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Czech republic participated in Eurovision Young musicians 2012, so maybe ČT is not totally away from the idea to give the ESC another chance in the near future.
 
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