Armenia and Azerbaijan should be kicked out

[WhoKnows]

Yeah but a similar jury result LITERALLY did happen for Poland all over Europe. It's a polarising entry and you've got to be a certain type of person to enjoy this kind of song plus performance. On 100% Jury vote, Poland this year would have finished 23rd. As predicted, it did dreadful all over Europe.

But yes, ranking songs fully after one (or is it two?) listens is silly. It takes me weeks to do a personal ranking list. Choosing just the 10 songs that stand out is better and is what the contest should revert back to.

Of course you might be right, as there is no way of knowing for sure. It's just interesting that we're giving UK and Ireland the benefit of a doubt, but not Azerbaijan or Armenia.

 

[RainyWoods]

Of course you might be right, as there is no way of knowing for sure. It's just interesting that we're giving UK and Ireland the benefit of a doubt, but not Azerbaijan or Armenia.

But why would we give the benefit of the doubt to two countries that refused to even sit next to each other in the press room?


I really doubt that for instance classical singer Laura Wright would have enjoyed three minutes of high pitched rap-singing with an overly sexualised performance. Instead she enjoyed Valentina and placed her 2nd (in fact the only member of the British jury who didn't place her over 20th). When you're ranking every song, a performance that's so loud and perhaps even vulgar will really stick in the mind for many and will be an easy bottom ranking if that's not the kind of thing they appreciate. If any song was going to come bottom of the jury, i've always said it would be Poland. They took a huge risk sending a song like they did with the way votes are currently counted. All things considered, they actually did pretty well.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Azerbaijan ranked Sweden as 13th in semi-final 1?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Both of these countries are behaving like 5-year olds all the time. They hate each other for crap reasons and spread their hate everywhere possible. Let's look at the ESC stats: Armenia placed 25th by Azeri juries and televoters. Azerbaijan placed 25th by Armenian juries and televoters. Either they hate the other country for their own pathetic reasons OR they do what their government wants them to do. Because if you don't, you might get arrested like it happened in Azerbaijan in the year 2009. And they should be kicked out from all international competitions as well, such as football tournaments for example. I still remember their pathetic, childish behavior where they refused to play against each other in the EURO 2008 qualifications.

I am curious, what happened when they refused to play against each other?

 

[WhoKnows]

But why would we give the benefit of the doubt to two countries that refused to even sit next to each other in the press room?


I really doubt that for instance classical singer Laura Wright would have enjoyed three minutes of high pitched rap-singing with an overly sexualised performance. Instead she enjoyed Valentina and placed her 2nd (in fact the only member of the British jury who didn't place her over 20th). When you're ranking every song, a performance that's so loud and perhaps even vulgar will really stick in the mind for many and will be an easy bottom ranking if that's not the kind of thing they appreciate. If any song was going to come bottom of the jury, i've always said it would be Poland. They took a huge risk sending a song like they did with the way votes are currently counted. All things considered, they actually did pretty well.

You're making me go back to the results. :twisted:

I get what you're saying about the performance not being everyone's cup of tea. I really do. However, keep in mind that one of the reasons - if not the only reason - the jury was introduced was to offset the effect of diaspora and neighbor voting. It seems UK jury took it really seriously.

Poland was hardly the only loud and/or vulgar show today. Your jury didn't seem to mind Iceland too much. Not even the classical singer Laura Wright. Finland, another loud performance was second with your jury. Greece didn't do too bad either. Even France had a 12 and a 17 form your jury. So yeah, to me, their treatment of Poland is no less suspicious than this business between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

 

[RainyWoods]

You're making me go back to the results. :twisted:

I get what you're saying about the performance not being everyone's cup of tea. I really do. However, keep in mind that one of the reasons - if not the only reason - the jury was introduced was to offset the effect of diaspora and neighbor voting. It seems UK jury took it really seriously.

Poland was hardly the only loud and/or vulgar show today. Your jury didn't seem to mind Iceland too much. Not even the classical singer Laura Wright. Finland, another loud performance was second with your jury. Greece didn't do too bad either. Even France had a 12 and a 17 form your jury. So yeah, to me, their treatment of Poland is no less suspicious than this business between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Yeah but I meant sexually vulgar though I mean come on, the performance was pure filth. The juries poorly received Poland's entry all over Europe. It's not like the UK and Ireland were weird glowing exceptions. Poland would have come 5th overall if it was just down to public votes. Juries all over Europe stopped that happening. Poland's performance was sex really and not everyone will be comfortable with it.

Poland's entry certainly deserved points from us but it was it's lyrical content, style of music and performance that unfortunately held it back. Entries (somewhat) similar to this have never done well at the contest.

 

[bubblingtrue]

Well Serbia is a certain return at least. I'm not sure on Israel withdrawing, if they do the. I'm sure Lebanon will debut and maybe Morocco. I doubt other Muslim countries will because of the reputation ESC carries and how people dress (mainly focused at what woman wear). Kazakhstan May actually make it's debut by the looks of it next year as well.

Ummm I seriously doubt we will see Lebanon, Morocco and Kazakhstan next year. Where on earth did you get that from...?!

 

[Mlyn]

There is just no objective reason for any juror to put Azerbaijan's or Armenia's song last. It's insane, it's outrageous!

But even more so, Azeri jury tried to sabotage each favorite by putting it very low. I think EBU should investigate and fine that!

 

[AronS]

Azerbaijan ranked Sweden as 13th in semi-final 1?

They were trying to bury the favourites. Simple as.

 

[AronS]

There is just no objective reason for any juror to put Azerbaijan's or Armenia's song last. It's insane, it's outrageous!

But even more so, Azeri jury tried to sabotage each favorite by putting it very low. I think EBU should investigate and fine that!

100% agree.

 

[blajblaj]

I think both Azerbaijan and Armenia deserves a one year suspension. Both for how the handle each other, and for how they placed all other favorites low. It's pretty obvious what they're doing.

 

[DutchESC]

I do agree that countries dragging their political situations to far into the ESC should be banned from the ESC. It should be about the music...

 

[LakZaNokte]

must admit i was annoyed when i heard organisator gave into their request not to sit next to each other in press conference :?

like little children :?

actually, can't say who is worse, both of them for behaving like spoiled kids or organisator for behaving like a lousy parent :roll:

 

[Terence]

I agree, this is childish. Last place on either side... come on... it's obvious songs didn't matter on either side.

You can't take any sanctions as there's nothing to accuse them of, but 25th is just suspicious!

 

[Terence]

must admit i was annoyed when i heard organisator gave into their request not to sit next to each other in press conference :?

like little children :?

That one too. What's next?! An appeal to be placed in different semifinals next year?!

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I suppose the EBU should monitor their votes over the next few years.

I agree it makes a mockery of the contest if they can't even make an attempt to acknowledge each others songs. If they're capable of such blatant political snubbing, who knows what other tactics they're playing. It makes them look a bit shifty.

 

[HarryUK]

Bit coincidental how all jurors on both Azerbaijan and Armenia gave each other 25th place

and Azerbaijan's individual jury results were similar to each other's all the way through, surely that should be investigated????

 

[AdelAdel]

I am curious, what happened when they refused to play against each other?

Nothing. Apart from the fact that they didn't get any points from their games. And you know what FIFA did in the end? Instead of banning them, they made sure they can't be in the same group ever again. Basically, FIFA started playing THEIR game

 

[Joni]

This sort of childish hatred really doesn't belong to the ESC. Maybe they really should be kicked out for a year to learn some manners; even Ukraine and Russia gave each other some points despite the crisis.

 

[Mlyn]

I think Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia are in trouble right now. Although EBU asked for fairness and unbiasedness, they were not able to deliver.

Maybe they won't be allowed to have juries anymore?