WV Spin-Off 24 | Four Elements | THE SHOW | RESULTS FROM POST #63

[Milos-BC]

It's up to the host either he/she wants to accept votes after DDL or no. Steph did it well and Hele accepted it was her fault, so I don't see the point of all this discussion.

Next time let's join to te contest only if we are sure we can send the votes on time..with or without reminders. if we don't vote, the first thing we should do is to apologize to the others. Host can accept them or not, depending on his time schedule.

Let's not talk about careless hosts or disrespectful participants ...and ofc our personal issues don't have to be on the table...please people grow up and let's start the next spin-off

Why must anyone apologize if he didn't vote? It is the one who didn't vote that suffers the most from it, since his entry is disqualified. I generally tend to apologize myself indeed, but I don't think that should be an obligation and "a must". It's good, though, that it is not mentioned that one should also lay on his/her knees and beg for forgiveness if he/she fails to vote.


And of course there is a point to discuss all this, because behind all this there is a hidden intention to push Helena away from the contest, read carefully. That is the main problem in all this. Labeling her like that is extremely disrespectful, and she is not someone who popped in here yesterday, she is here for years, she was always more than fair with everyone and now she gets to read this.....and not just once from the same person, like CypriotGirl stated above! It is especially another dimension when the one who backs her off the contest asked for understanding about her issues, and we gave it to her (at least us who are active and rational), but she doesn't have understanding for Helena.

Labeling her like that and doing this to her is extremely unfair and something I will not allow!

About joining the contest when one is certain that he can vote......well, I personally don't have a crystal ball in front of me, nor do I know how to look in beans either (and nor do I believe in any of this witchcraft), I join the contest because I want to participate and, by default, I believe I will manage to vote. But life is very unpredictable, because in many case in one day you are on one place and just minutes after it is like you never existed at all.


Nobody has the right to push anyone away from participating and next time if I see this being done to her again......well, whoever does it, (s)he will have serious business with me.

 

[Stargazer]

Re: WV Spin-Off 24 | Four Elements | THE SHOW | RESULTS TODAY @ 19:00

I dont like that much Skillet but dont u think that not liking a band because it is religious is discriminative? But of course here if u say u dont like a particular artist because he is gay then u will receive a shitstorm but it is totally ok to say you dont like an artist for being religious. And i thought you dont care about lyrics in songs. I know you dont like their music as well but to say that being a religious band doesnt help doesnt seem right to me because i am religious myself and i think i would feel the same like someone gay hearing someone saying that he doesnt like an artist and that he is gay doesnt help either...

I don't boycott artists on basis of religion in these contests. It's always the songs first and last in these contests for me. But outside of these contests, I would never listen to religious bands who incorporate their faith in their songs. And to me it's a completely different matter being against someone's sexuality and having a problem with religion. One is something we are born with, one is a set a stories some choose to believe in.

With all due respect, You can't talk so generalized and you can't bring such conclusions when it comes to her, in particular, because she is exactly the opposite of how you labeled her here.

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While I do agree that principles should be followed, I also think we are all humans from flesh and meat. Helena also has many obligations, just like you, me, and everyone else here. She just doesn't want everyone to know what she is/was passing through in the same way like I didn't want everyone to know what I was going through. I think that she is here long enough so that everyone knows whether she has understanding for other people and whether she is serious or not.

But that is just it. If people who sometimes (or often) forget to vote don't make it known why this happened, some of us are going to assume they simply don't care enough to make an effort. Since it tends to be the same group of people who fail to vote from time to time, it's really no wonder some of us jump to these conclusions. Had Hele, for example, let us or Steph know before the deadline was up that she had been too busy to find the time to vote, it would have been a different matter entirely. But not saying anything and then casually vote the next day and on top of that be surprised/upset that their votes were not counted, is what irks me. As it is now, it is up to every host whether they want to accept late votes or not. To take it for granted and assume that a host will, is disrespectful to the host and the contest. I'm not saying Hele took it for granted or assumed this, I'm just saying how I feel about this issue.

Also, when it comes to that, remember that when you were a host you often knew to prolong the results show, the presentation of the show etc......because you needed more time due to studying and other obligations and you asked for understanding. And while maybe not everyone understood you, I perfectly did, and I never had any problems with that, because I just knew you will prepare an amazing show and it was not a problem for me to wait, because if someone knows how it is when you have a overbooked schedule, than that is me. And I will always say that no matter who it will be next time. But the key point is that I think that Helena also deserves that understanding from others.

Being a host and being a voter are two different things. The host sets the deadlines and since the host is the one who is busy making the show happen for everyone, should they need more time to get everything organized then they should be free to do so. The voters, however, have only one responsibility and that is to vote on time. While I've needed extra time to get things sorted as a host, I've never failed to vote on time as a voter (except for that one NSC edition where I didn't see that the WL deadline was earlier than the regular deadline). Granted, we all have busy lives and unexpected things might occur that prevent some from voting, but to not let the host or the forum know what is up is disrespectful to me, even if they don't mean it as such. You might say that this is just a game. It is. But it's a game we all invest a lot of time and effort in, so it does matter.

And to conclude this about the host not caring for voters or the voter not caring for others. For me personally, the biggest disrespect for the contest, the host and everyone is when someone votes just so that it can be said that he voted, and he either didn't listen to the songs properly, heard them only once........or even the worst scenario - voted randomly without listening to the songs. In some of those occasions when I failed to vote, I did manage to listen to the songs, but only once, and I couldn't judge properly. Because of that and because of the actual situation I chose not to vote, because it is not fair to send the votes that do not reflect what I really think of the songs as I couldn't form an opinion after just one listening. There were even periods when I didn't manage to hear a single entry and people on one other forum even encouraged me to send the votes randomly, like "who will know that you were not listening to the songs", but of course.....I didn't do it and have chosen to be disqualified. For the misery to be even worse, I would have won that edition if I voted, and this way I chose to be DQ on purpose. And THAT is the biggest disrespect for me, if we really want to talk about what is respect and what is not.

I agree that it's also disrespectful to not listen to the songs and vote anyway. But if you're someone who always needs reminders in order to vote, then maybe they should make the effort to remind themselves. Add an alarm/notification on their phone, write a note to themselves, etc.

Why must anyone apologize if he didn't vote? It is the one who didn't vote that suffers the most from it, since his entry is disqualified. I generally tend to apologize myself indeed, but I don't think that should be an obligation and "a must". It's good, though, that it is not mentioned that one should also lay on his/her knees and beg for forgiveness if he/she fails to vote.

Because it's the polite thing to do? The other participants suffer from it as well, since points that were wasted on a participant who failed to vote, could have been awarded the other songs and could even affect the outcome of the contest as it might even result in the wrong winner. Of course it shouldn't be a must to apologize, but to me it's common sense.

And of course there is a point to discuss all this, because behind all this there is a hidden intention to push Helena away from the contest, read carefully. That is the main problem in all this. Labeling her like that is extremely disrespectful, and she is not someone who popped in here yesterday, she is here for years, she was always more than fair with everyone and now she gets to read this.....and not just once from the same person, like CypriotGirl stated above! It is especially another dimension when the one who backs her off the contest asked for understanding about her issues, and we gave it to her (at least us who are active and rational), but she doesn't have understanding for Helena.

There is no hidden agenda here. I'm not trying to push anyone out. I'm just expressing the exasperation I feel about habitual non-voters, whether they had legitimate reasons or not. The key thing here is habitual. Those who frequently do this. I'm not saying Hele is one of them, I'm just saying how I feel about the issue in general. It would have been easier to understand why Hele sometimes forgets to vote if we knew the reasons beforehand. This is why I let you guys know what was happening when I hosted, since not saying anything but postponing the results anyway would have been disrespectful.

Labeling her like that and doing this to her is extremely unfair and something I will not allow!

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Nobody has the right to push anyone away from participating and next time if I see this being done to her again......well, whoever does it, (s)he will have serious business with me.

I still think it's disrespectful to the contest, the host and the other participants to frequently fail to vote. I can't help how I feel about it. Like I said, I'm not trying to push her away. But thanks for the threat.

 

[Milos-BC]

^^ As far as I am aware she has stated several times (actually even more) how busy she is on various places. And everyone who knows her just a little know this very well. So, you cannot accuse her for keeping her mouth shut when she is not hiding that. Even that same night when she failed to vote I said on the forum that even though I (still) do not have the details, I was pretty sure that she sent the votes by mistake to Alexander, and that is exactly what happened. It is obvious, though, that she doesn't want to share all the details or various things with everyone, and it is understandable as well, since I don't want to share various things with everyone either. But it is not unknown that she is busy and overloaded with various obligations, be sure of that.


When you (or anyone else) don't know what is happening, then it is better to not make any conclusions then jump immediately to a conclusion that they don't care enough to make an effort. Don't you think so? How do you know how much Helena cares for the contest? And I would also like to know what exactly classifies Helena in this group for you? And who else is in this group? I seriously can never understand how can anyone judge someone or something they don't know. And with these statements you have shown that you don't know Helena at all, which is not a problem, not everyone can know everyone, it is normal, I also don't know some people here at all (even though that group is very miniscule but it exists), but at least I don't judge their actions or themselves personally if I don't know them. That is a huge difference.

I am judged by almost everyone, but for me it is different, as I said, I am on this forum literally since the very beginning. I was a third member who ever registered here, and that was more than 8 years ago, almost 9 full years (that was the old forum that doesn't exist anymore, and this one is just a continuance of the old one) , so whoever is at least a bit active here can know some things about me. I am not hiding anything and I don't have a reason to hide anything either. Plus, I am a super mod, so my actions obviously have a specific weight, and I am always on the target when something is wrong, so that is all perfectly normal for me, and something that I have no problems with. It is all in the description of this job. But she is not a mod, and it is not her duty to serve everything on a plate for everyone. She shared enough informations so that at least she can not be put in this group that you are putting her.

Hosts and voters are different, but principles are the same. Would you put me in the same group as well then, I also failed to vote in both NSC final and FSC? It was a time space of several days........Also, is it ok for you to ask for understanding for your life situations and not having the same understanding for hers? And, I repeat, to me personally you do not have to explain anything, I clearly stated that all your shows were marvelous, I understood perfectly how busy you are, I know how I look when I am busy (and that is most of the time, anyway, I got used to it).........but it is not ok to judge her like that when she, I repeat again, DID give explanations more than just several times.

Yes, I agree, it is a polite thing to do, but I don't think it should be a must. I have always apologized myself as I said, and that is how I was raised by my parents and that will never change, but I don't think that we should act like those people who stand on the platform waiting to hang the guilty ones and set that as a must for everyone. Just like not everyone must share his personal details with everyone. The fact that some of us do it doesn't mean that everyone should do it.


That wasn't a threat at all, you don't know me either. It is not a threat and it wasn't meant to sound as one. I only stated that whoever hurts her or treats her badly will talk to me as well, and I will ask for some explanations, but that is not a threat. Just like he/she would give explanations to her, he/she would have to give them to me as well. I only said that. And nothing more. It wasn't even directed at you personally.

And to conclude - you have a right on a different opinion, but even though you state that you didn't mean what you wrote, you did hurt her, and us that replied felt the same way. I think it would also be fair and correct from you to apologize to her. Since you know what is fair and what is not, and I mostly agree, I also think this is one of those fair moves.

 

[Stargazer]

^^ As far as I am aware she has stated several times (actually even more) how busy she is on various places. And everyone who knows her just a little know this very well. So, you cannot accuse her for keeping her mouth shut when she is not hiding that. Even that same night when she failed to vote I said on the forum that even though I (still) do not have the details, I was pretty sure that she sent the votes by mistake to Alexander, and that is exactly what happened. It is obvious, though, that she doesn't want to share all the details or various things with everyone, and it is understandable as well, since I don't want to share various things with everyone either. But it is not unknown that she is busy and overloaded with various obligations, be sure of that.

I must have missed all the times she's expressed her situation because I haven't seen them. Don't you think I would have acted differently had I seen these messages?

When you (or anyone else) don't know what is happening, then it is better to not make any conclusions then jump immediately to a conclusion that they don't care enough to make an effort. Don't you think so? How do you know how much Helena cares for the contest? And I would also like to know what exactly classifies Helena in this group for you? And who else is in this group? I seriously can never understand how can anyone judge someone or something they don't know. And with these statements you have shown that you don't know Helena at all, which is not a problem, not everyone can know everyone, it is normal, I also don't know some people here at all (even though that group is very miniscule but it exists), but at least I don't judge their actions or themselves personally if I don't know them. That is a huge difference.

I didn't jump to any conclusion (about Hele or anyone else who sometimes fail to vote) immediately. But when a pattern develops over time, it's hard not to make assumptions as it were. By a group of people, I simply meant the people in these contests who have a habit of sometimes failing to vote (for whatever reason), since that is the issue we're discussing. That is all. It's no secret who the other ones are.

And to conclude - you have a right on a different opinion, but even though you state that you didn't mean what you wrote, you did hurt her, and us that replied felt the same way. I think it would also be fair and correct from you to apologize to her. Since you know what is fair and what is not, and I mostly agree, I also think this is one of those fair moves.

I never said I didn't mean what I wrote. I meant every word. I just said I didn't mean what you thought I meant. I can't see what I have to apologize for. I've only simply expressed my exasperation with those who sometimes (or often) forget to vote. And suddenly I'm the bad guy for not succumbing to mollycoddling.

 

[doctormalisimo]

I like all these essays, so I'll just post something from the news:

Two women have died after a gas leak sparked an explosion which levelled two buildings in East Harlem, New York City, authorities say.

Scores of others have been injured in the incident, which sent smoke billowing into the city sky.

More than 250 firefighters tackled the blaze at the scene near 116th Street and Park Avenue.

Train services at Grand Central Terminal have been partially restored after a complete halt earlier.

Missing people
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said in a news conference from the scene that the gas leak had been reported to the utility company 15 minutes before the blast on Wednesday morning.


"We heard 'boom' and all the windows broke down"
Mr de Blasio said the "major explosion" had destroyed two buildings and heavily damaged other structures.

About a dozen individuals were still missing in the area as of Wednesday afternoon.

New York fire department elevated the incident to the highest threat level possible.

It said 22 people had been hurt, but a tally of local hospitals by ABC News found that 64 people had been admitted with injuries as a result of the incident.

That figure included seven children, one of whom was in a critical condition.

e: bolded random words for effect.

 

[Trece]

I must have missed all the times she's expressed her situation because I haven't seen them. Don't you think I would have acted differently had I seen these messages?

Not everyone can write novelas how hard is live and why didn't voted/can't make show as planned

 

[Stargazer]

Not everyone can write novelas how hard is live and why didn't voted/can't make show as planned

Yes of course. But Milos is acting like this was common knowledge and it wasn't.

 

[cegs5]

Why must anyone apologize if he didn't vote? It is the one who didn't vote that suffers the most from it, since his entry is disqualified. I generally tend to apologize myself indeed, but I don't think that should be an obligation and "a must". It's good, though, that it is not mentioned that one should also lay on his/her knees and beg for forgiveness if he/she fails to vote.


And of course there is a point to discuss all this, because behind all this there is a hidden intention to push Helena away from the contest, read carefully. That is the main problem in all this. Labeling her like that is extremely disrespectful, and she is not someone who popped in here yesterday, she is here for years, she was always more than fair with everyone and now she gets to read this.....and not just once from the same person, like CypriotGirl stated above! It is especially another dimension when the one who backs her off the contest asked for understanding about her issues, and we gave it to her (at least us who are active and rational), but she doesn't have understanding for Helena.

Labeling her like that and doing this to her is extremely unfair and something I will not allow!

About joining the contest when one is certain that he can vote......well, I personally don't have a crystal ball in front of me, nor do I know how to look in beans either (and nor do I believe in any of this witchcraft), I join the contest because I want to participate and, by default, I believe I will manage to vote. But life is very unpredictable, because in many case in one day you are on one place and just minutes after it is like you never existed at all.


Nobody has the right to push anyone away from participating and next time if I see this being done to her again......well, whoever does it, (s)he will have serious business with me.

OK.
I just want to clarify that I didn't mean anything wrong about Hele or anyone who failed to vote in the past.
It can happen to anyone and we all can react following our cultural background, manners, feelings and thoughts.

About the crystal ball, sorry but that's not an excuse, no matter how busy wecare or how unsettled our schedules are, if we are going to join to a contest we know we will have a DDL which is not the following day btw...so the crystal ball stuff has nothing to do.