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United Kingdom UNITED KINGDOM 2024 - Olly Alexander - Dizzy
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theditz83
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This is exactly what I was saying! We were MOST CERTAINLY not the worst tonight. But in a scoring system where only the Top 10 get recognition, a song that (I'll be honest) I ranked 12th out of the 25th competitors was never going to do great things for the public.
RainyWoods
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I've had a weird journey with this song, my feelings for it and my expectations. I've done a full circle. About 18th is exactly where I envisioned Dizzy coming when the song was first revealed, and I pretty much thought all the points would come from the jury. That happened but also the public 0 feels harsh. I felt it coming. Said it to some friends "here comes a 0" and then boom. Composition wise it's in the upper half I'd say of decent songs this year. The staging though was something else. It's so bold, creative and quite possibly my favourite concept of the year (well, certainly up there with Bambie and Nemo in terms of really creating a visual moment that sticks).
I feel like this result is a combination of weak vocals and an entry that was always a better instrumental than it was a song to sing. I feel bad for Olly as he's had a rough Eurovision experience and this isn't a very nice end to it.
I feel like this result is a combination of weak vocals and an entry that was always a better instrumental than it was a song to sing. I feel bad for Olly as he's had a rough Eurovision experience and this isn't a very nice end to it.
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I am shocked with the 0 from TV. I thought it would have appealed more towards TV than a jury song since basically Olly almost butchered the song with his sub-par vocal delivery. But at least UK escaped the bottom 5 fate overall.
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This happens every year. Thereakity is the song just wasn't good enough. this result always going to be the outcome the moment the song was released.
Something that we forget is with Jade Ewen, Blue and Sam the moment their sings were released they immediately were hi in the odds. Every other song has failed in the odds and then went on to fail in Eurovision even the ones with amazing staging. At the end of the day it's about the song.
The odds tell us the type of result we are going to get every year and many of us choose to ignore it.
Something that we forget is with Jade Ewen, Blue and Sam the moment their sings were released they immediately were hi in the odds. Every other song has failed in the odds and then went on to fail in Eurovision even the ones with amazing staging. At the end of the day it's about the song.
The odds tell us the type of result we are going to get every year and many of us choose to ignore it.
There are quite serious calls for us to withdraw next year because we threw the kitchen sink at Eurovision this year to get 0 from the public.
I don’t personally agree with that sentiment, but it’s just feeling among fans here, not just the wider public.
I don’t personally agree with that sentiment, but it’s just feeling among fans here, not just the wider public.
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The camera tricks made me dizzy but in a migraine-inducing way, the whole gay sauna felt tacky and less noteworthy with other provocative acts, some of the facial expressions made a disservice to the song and his vocals were utterly unconvincing.
This was too much and too little. Even in Eurovision, there are limits to the sordidness.
This was too much and too little. Even in Eurovision, there are limits to the sordidness.
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I'm gutted for Olly and the UK delegation. 2 really bad results in a row, and this time with a big artist. I fear we're back to the Michael Rice and Electro Velvet days next year
crashworld
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@ the bold part - Because at least the UK public and ESC fans can say the zeros are justified.
jeriswani
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Just keep using the Sam Ryder formula. A great singer/song mid tempo that all generations can appreciate. Be likeable to everyone. Keep doing that until Europe gets sick of it.
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I had this down as 12th on my list so surprised it finished as low as 18th. I thought the performance was good but the song was one that was easily forgotten compared to some of the other big songs. Need to have a rethink going into next year as the last 2 years we have gone with songs we hope to do well in the charts and not focused on the vocals. 10/15 years ago you could get away with someone who could half sing, now you need solid vocals to do well. Sam Ryder is great example of this. Simple song that shows the strength of his voice with a catchy chorus. hopefully this is the way we go next year.
Ianp16
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Mega cringe. It seemed almost too try-hard. Nothing else to say. Bye.
The staging was cool but without a hit song to match it just got lost. Dizzy was no ones favourite song and I wanted to like it and defended the snippet but it was just meh in the end.
The producer they picked just isn't that great. He even flopped Dua Lipa's new album. Interesting production isn't enough to make a hit.
The producer they picked just isn't that great. He even flopped Dua Lipa's new album. Interesting production isn't enough to make a hit.
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The 0 public votes did not come unannounced. When even my friends from the stronghold of the queer scene in Germany, Cologne, were all like "I've seen people on CSD putting more clothes on and being less on-the-nose", you know it was too much. If you want to go down the slutty road, at least do it with some self-awareness and irony like Spain or in a more aesthetically way like Slovenia.
Quite frankly, I think even the jury points were too much. Probably all due to the staging, the camera angles were fun.
Quite frankly, I think even the jury points were too much. Probably all due to the staging, the camera angles were fun.
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This remains one of my few favorites this year. The televote was absolutely laughable.
A friend if my said he thought showing gayness is now offputting for people because it‘s too confident. People like oppressed minorities to enjoy their protective instinct. Once they have reached a certain level of empowernent - not enough interesting anymore.
I wouldn’t phrase it that exclusively, but he might have a point…
A friend if my said he thought showing gayness is now offputting for people because it‘s too confident. People like oppressed minorities to enjoy their protective instinct. Once they have reached a certain level of empowernent - not enough interesting anymore.
I wouldn’t phrase it that exclusively, but he might have a point…
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I admit at the time the 0 points was announced I was shocked as were my friends I was having a party with. We weren't daft and believed we'd get loads, but we thought somewhere between 10 and 25 possibly.
But now looking back we can see how its come across to the wider public. It probably was a little too on the nose and lacked as my friend said a 'tongue in cheek' factor where its camp/gay and its knows it and the public is on it too. A shared joke if you like.
Perhaps that did it, but I still stand by what the staging was trying to do. I don't feel like gay performers in future should fear 'toning it down' or something like that because of how Dizzy fared, but learn from it. Clearly as a whole Dizzy wasn't a wow package - something that's hardly a shock to many of us out there, even in the UK.
At least it's better than last year, that's the positive I'm taking.
But now looking back we can see how its come across to the wider public. It probably was a little too on the nose and lacked as my friend said a 'tongue in cheek' factor where its camp/gay and its knows it and the public is on it too. A shared joke if you like.
Perhaps that did it, but I still stand by what the staging was trying to do. I don't feel like gay performers in future should fear 'toning it down' or something like that because of how Dizzy fared, but learn from it. Clearly as a whole Dizzy wasn't a wow package - something that's hardly a shock to many of us out there, even in the UK.
At least it's better than last year, that's the positive I'm taking.
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A Cascade-type result kind of makes sense here, ranking-wise. That 0 from the televote is crazy given that Olly Alexander was churning out international hits no less than a decade ago.
If the UK delegation were to take anything from this, is that sometimes risks are rewarded (Ireland) and sometimes not. But it is worth it nonetheless (i.e. getting into the top 20)
The staging package here was some of the best of the year. Risqué for sure, but immersive. Just looking at it objectively, you can see (and the juries did at least a bit), the intentionality behind it all.
If the UK delegation were to take anything from this, is that sometimes risks are rewarded (Ireland) and sometimes not. But it is worth it nonetheless (i.e. getting into the top 20)
The staging package here was some of the best of the year. Risqué for sure, but immersive. Just looking at it objectively, you can see (and the juries did at least a bit), the intentionality behind it all.
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I'm not sure if the "Gayness" Of the staging is what sunk that element of it, I feel that it taking place in a dingy and grimy shower room set in a confined box that limited his connection to the audience at home and in the arena did more to it. Had that generally empowered sexuality happened on a wider stage with better and more dance-like choreography it would have been stronger. It feels like Olly and the team bet the farm on good staging to make up for Olly's limitations as a singer and it didn't pay off.
In isolation the staging is fine. But at a contest like this, it didn't work.
And to this day I really don't 'get' it. I get the gay empowerment angle. But why a boxing shower room in a black hole? It honestly feels like something cooked up by ChatGPT when they learnt that Nemo was going to be doing a stage involving a spinning element so they needed something else, and this is what it spat out and they ran with it.
In isolation the staging is fine. But at a contest like this, it didn't work.
And to this day I really don't 'get' it. I get the gay empowerment angle. But why a boxing shower room in a black hole? It honestly feels like something cooked up by ChatGPT when they learnt that Nemo was going to be doing a stage involving a spinning element so they needed something else, and this is what it spat out and they ran with it.