Sweden SWEDEN 2025 - KAJ - Bara bada bastu

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[freerider]

You know, who cares - Sweden should let their hair down for once, it's not really serious, it's just fun, it's Eurovision! Winning is good, participation is better...

That reminds me of the finnish speaking commentator Mikko Silvennoinen who in the Yle broadcast said to the finnish viewers in 2023 to vote tactic and the finnish people ended up giving Sweden 0 points as the only country. The swedish viewers did not vote tacticly they gave Käärije 12 points.

But your`e right Eurovision is entertainment and not just competition.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

Unfortunately tons of negativity and toxicity is awaiting him in case he wins. I fear he wont be able to enjoy his ESC-Experience this year.

Especially if KAJ wins televote and he wins jury vote and wins Melfest overall.

 

[freerider]

Especially if KAJ wins televote and he wins jury vote and wins Melfest overall.

Which song do you think have the greatest chance of winning Eurovision Bara bada bastu or Revolution?

 

[gigi_copp3]

Which song do you think have the greatest chance of winning Eurovision Bara bada bastu or Revolution?

In fact both lol.

KAJ is a likely televote winner, Mans a likely jury winner.

 

[hwyl]

That reminds me of the finnish speaking commentator Mikko Silvennoinen who in the Yle broadcast said to the finnish viewers in 2023 to vote tactic and the finnish people ended up giving Sweden 0 points as the only country. The swedish viewers did not vote tacticly they gave Käärije 12 points.

But your`e right Eurovision is entertainment and not just competition.

Oh yeah, so stupid. Who cares about the final result - I think I have a pretty good taste in popular music and basically can't bear to watch the final, it's just basically such trash, but mostly good humoured and fun trash. It's weird to think that Sweden really deadly seriously aims to create the most unobjectional and polished euro-pop song to actually win... I prefer our weird and quirky hit and miss tactics!

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

Which song do you think have the greatest chance of winning Eurovision Bara bada bastu or Revolution?

Revolution, because the jury would kill BBB.

However if Revolution wins Melfest, I believe it won't win Eurovision. I don't think it's strong enough to get a massive televote, and I'm increasingly thinking the juries won't overwhelmingly back it.

 

[lavieenrose]

Increasingly convinced that in addition to being a far better entry, B-cubed has a higher results ceiling at Eurovision than Revolution and that it's not particularly close.

 

[freerider]

Oh yeah, so stupid. Who cares about the final result - I think I have a pretty good taste in popular music and basically can't bear to watch the final, it's just basically such trash, but mostly good humoured and fun trash. It's weird to think that Sweden really deadly seriously aims to create the most unobjectional and polished euro-pop song to actually win... I prefer our weird and quirky hit and miss tactics!

What is good popular music to you give some exampel. You say you cant stand the trash in the final and then you berate Sweden for trying to send non trash and then you end up saying you prefer Finlands more weird and quirky hits.

 

[lasse braun]

Loreen, however, came back with another great performance and "Tattoo" (even though it wasn't as great as "Euphoria") had "international hit/ESC winner" written all over it.

i agree with the most written in your post but i see no real difference between tattoo and revolution.

 

[aef]

i agree with the most written in your post but i see no real difference between tattoo and revolution.

Yes and no. I partly agree with both of you. In my opinion Tattoo was no completely new, revolutionary (haha) effort by her, it was more Euphoria 2.0 (not that it was so similar but it had a similar formula). After all Tattoo was a good, decent song though and had clear winning potential. It was a solid 2nd participation. I would have loved to see winning but it was not completely undeserved for .

It’s not the same for Revolution in my opinion. The song is very 2015 and doesn’t feel current at all. It also try’s to be Heroes 2.0 but it really feels too similar in its formula and somehow too dated and too flat. Maybe Avicii would have released this as an album track more than 10 years ago…

 

[Yazy]

I wonder if by any chance the reveal of Austrian entry might make Sweden have second thoughts about picking "Revolution" as the security of landsliding a jury vote at ESC could now be endangered (I haven´t seen JJ perform live so this is purely a speculation).

 

[NemesisNick]

Here is a video, containing my comments about the twelve finalists in the Swedish national final, Melodifestivalen 2025 Final, on Saturday 8 March 2025. Although I haven't watched any of the five heats, or the Final qual, of Melodifestivalen 2025 in full, the videos of the twelve finalists that I have seen are clearly from earlier stages of Melodifestivalen 2025. That is how I've seen, and thus been able to comment on, the staging at such performances, which would not have been possible had I watched specially made preview videos or sound recordings with static images.

Nemesis Nick Talks Eurovision: Melodifestivalen 2025 Final Preview

My comments about the twelve finalists in the Swedish national final, Melodifestivalen 2025 Final, on Saturday 8 March 2025. Although I haven't watched any ...

youtu.be

 

[deletingpoint]

Which song do you think have the greatest chance of winning Eurovision Bara bada bastu or Revolution?

Neither. I really can't see Sweden winning this year. But don't listen to random people on internet, it's not about what the fandom wants or thinks, it's about what you want and think.

 

[Ted Talks]

I honestly dislike it that Mans and Benjamin spoke out about "Europe hating on Sweden in Eurovision" - That's simply not true.

I can understand that it must have been a tough moment for Benjamin to hear the audience go wild when Sweden "only" got 21 pts from the public in 2018. It wasn't hatred towards Sweden, though. It was a heavy reaction towards the juries which are usually over-estimating Swedish entries in Eurovision. They ranked him #2 in a very competitive year even though his song was generic.
He wouldn't have got that reaction if he got 153 pts from the juries and 121 pts from the public instead.

Of course, Sweden is a powerhouse in Sweden and rightfully so since they are very competitive, treat Melodifestivalen well and come up with a very entertaining show but I think that the juries are after lured by the great performances and forget to rank the song (e.g. "Unstoppable" wasn't good at all either).

When it comes to Mans, he shouldn't feel bitter at all. He won ESC and "Heroes" was a mosnter hit across Europe - We (fans) are just tired that a) our choice didn't win thanks to the juries over-estimating Sweden again and b) we had to hear "Heroes" and see Mans in almost all editions afterwards (2016 as a host and performance, 2017 as part of cameos, 2019 when Conchita performed "Heroes" and Mans performed "Fuego"), 2020 when ESC cancelled and we got a on-tape performance of Mans/Heroes A-G-A-I-N, 2021 when Mans performed as part of the "roof performance". ).

All in all, Mans popped up/performed in every year from 2015 to 2021 apart from 2018 when the contest was hosted by Portugal and in that year, the hosts sang "Euphoria" - another Swedish winning entry.

I just think that we fans (and that's only us fans because the general public don't care about it at all) just feel oversaturated when it comes to "Hereos" and "Euphoria" and even "Waterloo".
We don't need to hear them in every ESC edition, either.

Loreen, however, came back with another great performance and "Tattoo" (even though it wasn't as great as "Euphoria") had "international hit/ESC winner" written all over it.

"Revolution", however, is simply generic and flat - and it's not as good as "Heroes", imo - even the staging (whilst still being ambitious) isn't great either (way too dark for my liking)

So no, Europe doesn't "hate Sweden because they are too successful" - Sweden can win ESC every 5 years, imo, if the material is there - but we are just fed up being served generic to good material which are praised by the juries - making our televoting winners lose (Il Volo, Käärjä); and it's just tiring to see Mans in 8/9 out of 10 editions in the past decade.

And yet from my perspective I’ve seen quite vitriolic hate of Mans for simply being himself. No wonder he feels like he does.

I’ve become really sympathetic to Sweden in the last few years as they are a country taking the contest seriously (which I rather wish all nations would) and they’ve delivered a consistent set of results that many countries would love to have - and yet weirdly seems to be frowned upon by ‘fans’.

It’s very much an attitude of ‘how dare they do well?’ And much like it was the in thing for music fans to knock Coldplay, the in thing for Eurovision fans is to knock Sweden.

It’s very much become a herd mentality among fans - especially among the severely entitled out there (pains me to say it, but much like Gabe now) who think their opinion and theirs alone is right.

The abuse and death threats Loreen got for ‘daring’ to win in 2023 was a low point in the fandom and it already feels like this year fans are gearing themselves up to pile up on Mans.

It’s disgusting really.

And if you were in his position and asked to take part in some form of another in a few contests in a row (for something that you care about despite some ‘fans’ making clear they don’t like you), would you seriously say no?

At the heart of this, fans need to get some perspective.

 

[Fierro]

Didn't listen to anything from this NF except Mans, so i'm a bit excited to watch it now

 

[Tzeo]

What's the appeal with KAJ? Markoolio did it better with Bastukungen and it was more fun.

 

[RainyWoods]

I'm a Kai supporting Kaj tonight. Go for victory, fine sauna enjoying gentlemen.

 

[Geborgenheit]

Nemo is there.

 

[NemesisNick]

I’m currently watching Melodifestivalen 2025 Final, the Swedish national final, for the Eurovision Song Contest 2025, live online from the UK. Twelve finalists are taking part tonight.

Song 1: John Lundvik - "Voice of the Silent"
Song 2: Dolly Style - "Yihaa"
Song 3: Greczula - "Believe Me"
Song 4: Klara Hammarström - "On and On and On"
Song 5: Scarlet - "Sweet N' Psycho"
Song 6: Erik Segerstedt - "Show Me What Love Is"
Song 7: Maja Ivarsson - "Kamikaze Life"
Song 8: Meira Omar - "Hush Hush"
Song 9: Måns Zelmerlöw - "Revolution"
Song 10: Saga Ludvigsson - "Hate You So Much"
Song 11: Annika Wickihalder - "Life Again"
Song 12: KAJ - "Bara bada bastu"

Good luck to all twelve artists, may the best song win.

 

[Fierro]

Is last year's ESC winner performing acoustic version of their winning entry becoming an unavoidable cliche?