Sweden SWEDEN 2024 - Marcus & Martinus - Unforgettable

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

If opening the show doesn’t hurt why change the voting rules?

Because it has nothing to do with who does well or not but with money. They want more profit out of it, they will have the lines open after the second semi until the final is over, which means more money from votes.

 

[Chalphon]

Werent the new Rules announced before the Draw, NJ?

Also, the producer from last years show in Liverpool did the draw but tin-foilers still gonna believe that it was rigged because it serves their purpose better.

 

[Irish Cameltoe]

The draw doesn't mean a thing if you have a shit song (like UK 2023).

 

[han-g]

The draw doesn't mean a thing if you have a shit song (like UK 2023).

Well yes the uk had a horrible performance, last place isn't usually a good spot either.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

It wasn’t that bad. And opening the show did cost them far more!

I will say this. I LOVED Who The Hell Is Edgar when it came out and I still do. Before May I envisioned there to be more stuff on stage for them, perhaps an office-like staging that they interacted with and with different moments. Instead they went for a computer game-like backdrop and called it a day. That's perhaps why people voted for the other pop songs as they had greater visual impact.

 

[nudiecrudi]

I will say this. I LOVED Who The Hell Is Edgar when it came out and I still do. Before May I envisioned there to be more stuff on stage for them, perhaps an office-like staging that they interacted with and with different moments. Instead they went for a computer game-like backdrop and called it a day. That's perhaps why people voted for the other pop songs as they had greater visual impact.

There are some kind of songs very difficult to be staged. Perfect studio versions and videoclips but when it comes to the big stage it's almost impossible to translate them with excellent stagings. Czechia 23 and Austria 23 were clear examples.
And I think the same problem will have Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria this year. Are they going to sing correctly somehow meantime moving.acting and dancing as they do in the videoclips, without all the filters and special effects a studio version offers?

 

[Judas]

#1 in the running order is one of those rare times when I believe Karma is watching us all

 

[Franzilein]

There are some kind of songs very difficult to be staged. Perfect studio versions and videoclips but when it comes to the big stage it's almost impossible to translate them with excellent stagings. Czechia 23 and Austria 23 were clear examples.
And I think the same problem will have Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria this year. Are they going to sing correctly somehow meantime moving.acting and dancing as they do in the videoclips, without all the filters and special effects a studio version offers?

While I hope this won't be the case since Belgium and the Netherlands are my favourites this year, I think this is what Sweden does exceptionally well, they basically send finished products to Eurovision. You know what you will get, everything's already planned out and proven in front of a crowd. Meanwhile with internally selected songs, you can never be sure if the live performance will be as good as the studio record. I'd quote Austria '22 here rather than '23, opening the show is poison, just look at Czechia '22. Austria '23 and Czechia '22 smashed their semis, only to be forgotten in the final.

 

[BorisBubbles]

It wasn’t that bad. And opening the show did cost them far more!

Absolutely not. It was bad staging that was also badly performed on top of it.

If it were better, it would have gotten some jury votes at least.

 

[Iker]

Dont trust them. The Songs were mostly great. I recommend you to listen to these Songs.

I know you're much of a pophead than I am but I think you're kidding.

 

[WWE]

Is this a rip-off of insomnia by faithless ?

It's more of a rip-off of "In My Mind" by Antiloop.

 

[Chalphon]

The draw doesn't mean a thing if you have a shit song (like UK 2023).

The song was fine, weak vocals and poor staging was the problem.

 

[Paco Roca]

Result:

Public: "Meh"

Juries: "WOW!"

Song similar to that of Ingrosso and the same path traced.

For me everything is too generic, soulless and aseptic. I don't see the song and I don't listen good voices... a terrible product.

In general I agree with those who say that Sweden focuses on finished packages (more oriented towards staging) and knows how to present the little it does without flaws and elevate it. However, I would add that without the favorable jury votes, sometimes he would have risked bottom 5 or not won at all.

At the end

 

[Jupiter]

Absolutely not. It was bad staging that was also badly performed on top of it.

If it were better, it would have gotten some jury votes at least.

Edgar was 8th in the Jury ranking with 104 points. It absolutely "got some jury points at least". The big difference is in televote, where it came 22th with only 3 countries getting less points (UK, Germany, Spain) and two with the same amount (Portugal & Serbia). They came 2nd in their televote only semi (despite their apparently "awful staging & performance"). Only to finish last in televote out of all the countries that advanced from their semi to the GF.

Nobody is saying the staging was great. But trying to pretend the running order didn't hurt Austria last year at all is just silly tbh.

 

[Realest]

Austria was 6th Place in the Average Televoting of all SF2-Qualifiers. But unfortunately Austria is no Lithuania or Albania.

 

[han-g]

Edgar was 8th in the Jury ranking with 104 points. It absolutely "got some jury points at least". The big difference is in televote, where it came 22th with only 3 countries getting less points (UK, Germany, Spain) and two with the same amount (Portugal & Serbia). They came 2nd in their televote only semi (despite their apparently "awful staging & performance"). Only to finish last in televote out of all the countries that advanced from their semi to the GF.

Nobody is saying the staging was great. But trying to pretend the running order didn't hurt Austria last year at all is just silly tbh.

It's never just running order when it comes to changing over to the final though. Other countries are now voting, more people in these countries are now voting, there are more songs that can take away your votes and because there are more songs it is now harder to score points. It is impossible to judge running order on a song by just comparing semi final and final results.

 

[gigi_copp3]

It's never just running order when it comes to changing over to the final though. Other countries are now voting, more people in these countries are now voting, there are more songs that can take away your votes and because there are more songs it is now harder to score points. It is impossible to judge running order on a song by just comparing semi final and final results.

And I have to remember that SF2 was weak as hell: bloody Australia won it, and it finished the final with just 5 televoting points more than Teya & Salena. The only countries from SF2 finishing top 10 in the televoting in the final were two countries with a really big diaspora (Poland and Albania)

 

[Wynnter]

Not going to lie, I do enjoy this quite a bit... It is slick and cool in a good way, and while the song lacks any meaningful complexity and melodies, the basic structure and production do make up for it in my opinion. I just enjoy some well produced edm drops, okay. Though the song could definitely hit harder than it does.

But I do have to take away a point for that ending because..... YOU CAN'T JUST END IT LIKE THAT!! When you start doing a buildup of that nature after a few alright drops throughout the song, I am expecting for you to drop it HARD! Like come on, they still had at 12 seconds left from full three minutes, so why the hell didn't they utilise it?? Smh

points

 

[Realest]

Saturday Evening feels so empty without Melfest...

 

[Ianp16]

This is great. 10 points.