Sweden SWEDEN 2023 - Loreen - Tattoo

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[Citelis]

Something like Italy 2017 won't happen here because i cannot see how Loreen will fail with juries so bad. Televoting can be unexpected though.

 

[John1]

i cannot see how Loreen will fail with juries so bad.

how that? all it comes across as is the following - euphoria was something, a moment; tattoo is far from it, though being top-notch as far as my music tastes go. juries aren't well-known for voting for a song, that's far too experimental or edgy.

plus, if you were referring to juries going in full awe for tattoo for the sake of being performed by THE loreen, i think we're in for some surprises.

 

[AndroZeus]

how that? all it comes across as is the following - euphoria was something, a moment; tattoo is far from it, though being top-notch as far as my music tastes go. juries aren't well-known for voting for a song, that's far too experimental or edgy.

plus, if you were referring to juries going in full awe for tattoo for the sake of being performed by THE loreen, i think we're in for some surprises.

How is Tattoo "experimental or edgy"? It's a basic 2020s power ballad...

 

[John1]

How is Tattoo "experimental or edgy"? It's a basic 2020s power ballad...

it's still a riskier entry than every entry sweden has been sending since 2014 excl.

 

[HarryUK]

I think people would feel obliged to vote for it anyway because it literally looks like the winning performance

 

[Citelis]

how that? all it comes across as is the following - euphoria was something, a moment; tattoo is far from it, though being top-notch as far as my music tastes go. juries aren't well-known for voting for a song, that's far too experimental or edgy.

plus, if you were referring to juries going in full awe for tattoo for the sake of being performed by THE loreen, i think we're in for some surprises.

I mean i don't say that Loreen is going necessarily to win juries by a landslide, but i cannot see her finishing outside juries top3. Could be something like Netherlands 2019 at the end, but to end up like Fransesco Gabbani she needs to be like 6th or 7th at juries and i don't see that happen.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

Gabbani's staging in 2017 was poor, he looked tired and the performance lacked energy. The post San Remo edit didn't help it either.
I'm not the biggest fan of Loreen's song, but I can't see the mistakes of Gabbani happening to Loreen, her performance and staging will be nailed.

 

[John1]

I mean i don't say that Loreen is going necessarily to win juries by a landslide, but i cannot see her finishing outside juries top3. Could be something like Netherlands 2019 at the end, but to end up like Fransesco Gabbani she needs to be like 6th or 7th at juries and i don't see that happen.

Gabbani's staging in 2017 was poor, he looked tired and the performance lacked energy. The post San Remo edit didn't help it either.
I'm not the biggest fan of Loreen's song, but I can't see the mistakes of Gabbani happening to Loreen, her performance and staging will be nailed.

Better to mix up replies a bit.

When it comes to staging, I have to express some doubts - the Melfest staging was polished, but will reportedly not be used for this year's ESC. A shame, because I don't see how Tattoo could be staged with such an anthemic and memorable vibe that we got from Melfest.

Again, I wish Loreen all the best and I'm sure she's going to deliver, but - again - people may deem her as a potential winner because of Loreen: how popular she is as well as her track-record, which is exceptional. Hence I ain't THAT confident about her winning, or at least by a landslide.

 

[hijirio]

I believe that Loreen will win but when it comes to charts and streaming statistics, Cha Cha Cha and Queen of Kings will bury her in the ditch.

It's kind of complicated if you ask me. As much as the visuals do matter, I want the best song to win, and Kaarija manages to display a breathtaking visual show without million dollar LEDs and light shows, and he takes the risk of singing a very bold song in his own language. I mean he is just effortlessly and naturally good. Loreen on the other hand screams "I want to win and this is my winning package"

Loreen is not a bad winner by any means, but I think it sets a wrong example for future contests.
Kaarija on the other hand could be an inspiration for others to take the risky route.

 

[MopManMoss]

I believe that Loreen will win but when it comes to charts and streaming statistics, Cha Cha Cha and Queen of Kings will bury her in the ditch.

Oh please queen of kings is just as basic as tattoo and Tattoo is already ahead of QoK in streaming figures only behind the super dull Due Vita

 

[Deleted member 12761]

I think Loreen is going to do the best when it comes to charts. Her song is radio friendly and is already doing well on streaming services and some charts. CCC and QoK are probably going to do better with Gen Z tho.

Käärijä's song isn't super fresh and innovative either in an Eurovision context. We already had risky songs like Toy which is in the same box for me.

 

[John1]

Loreen on the other hand screams "I want to win and this is my winning package"

Thus I'm worried about how receptive locals will be to Tattoo, knowing that most eurofans are literally simping the hell over Loreen having a so-called innovative and package that'll set people in full awe.

 

[MopManMoss]

I think Loreen is going to do the best when it comes to charts. Her song is radio friendly and is already doing well on streaming services and some charts. CCC and QoK are probably going to do better with Gen Z tho.

Käärijä's song isn't super fresh and innovative either in an Eurovision context. We already had risky songs like Toy which is in the same box for me.

Think you might be fairly alone in thinking Cha Cha Cha and Toy are in any way similar

 

[12Points]

I believe that Loreen will win but when it comes to charts and streaming statistics, Cha Cha Cha and Queen of Kings will bury her in the ditch.

It's kind of complicated if you ask me. As much as the visuals do matter, I want the best song to win, and Kaarija manages to display a breathtaking visual show without million dollar LEDs and light shows, and he takes the risk of singing a very bold song in his own language. I mean he is just effortlessly and naturally good. Loreen on the other hand screams "I want to win and this is my winning package"

Loreen is not a bad winner by any means, but I think it sets a wrong example for future contests.
Kaarija on the other hand could be an inspiration for others to take the risky route.

lmaoooo breathtaking visual show, tattoo as a song itself is miles better than that song

loreen's mf package is already beautiful, i'm looking forward for her esc staging

 

[Mainshow]

We´ve had more generic and dull songs winning in recent Eurovision history which fueld the general public, televoters and jury members alike by an innovative staging concept, e.g. RuZZia 2008, RuZZia 2016 (televoting winner), Sweden 2015....

 

[John1]

lmaoooo breathtaking visual show, tattoo as a song itself is miles better than that song

loreen's mf package is already beautiful, i'm looking forward for her esc staging

cha cha cha's staging is what we call a song being elevated at ease tbh

 

[lacrymea]

I know this will sound salty af, but... My problem with Loreen as a pre-given winner is not that I dislike the song (I do, but that's just my taste).

My problem is that this year is starting to feel a bit like the pandemic one. Eurovision on hold. Nothing will happen, we're all just patiently waiting to repeat the laurels of a former Esc beloved winner. Because the first time wasn't enough.

As if nothing else can compete when the Swedish queen decides to return.

It leaves a sour taste in my mouth, to be honest.

 

[Citelis]

I know this will sound salty af, but... My problem with Loreen as a pre-given winner is not that I dislike the song (I do, but that's just my taste).

My problem is that this year is starting to feel a bit like the pandemic one. Eurovision on hold. Nothing will happen, we're all just patiently waiting to repeat the laurels of a former Esc beloved winner. Because the first time wasn't enough.

As if nothing else can compete when the Swedish queen decides to return.

It leaves a sour taste in my mouth, to be honest.

It's not like that. Most of us who follow what's going on, and regardless what we like, agree that Finland is very possible to win.

 

[simori95]

I know this will sound salty af, but... My problem with Loreen as a pre-given winner is not that I dislike the song (I do, but that's just my taste).

My problem is that this year is starting to feel a bit like the pandemic one. Eurovision on hold. Nothing will happen, we're all just patiently waiting to repeat the laurels of a former Esc beloved winner. Because the first time wasn't enough.

As if nothing else can compete when the Swedish queen decides to return.

It leaves a sour taste in my mouth, to be honest.

Don’t let the betting odds as they currently are ruin the Eurovision fun for you. However, IF she wins (and that‘s capitalised because I in no way see it as a guarantee that she will in fact win), I absolutely refuse to believe that it will be only due to her name. With an exception of a small margin of people, those who put her first do it because they genuinely like the song and/or the whole package the best, and Loreen has not become a powerhouse like Måneskin after her win. So I doubt many casual voters even remember her or if they do, not to an extent that they would likely vote for her just cause it’s her. Even if they build up expectations because they remember her and give her more attention than other acts, they only vote for her if she lives up to those expectations. If anything, her previous win could be a hindrance. I experienced it with my family and friends; they did remember her vaguely and were then disappointed because she didn’t reinvent the wheel. Only later they came around to say that they found the Song awesome after several listens and putting their expectations aside.

Now this is only from my personal point of view and experience, but it appears logical to me that a lot of people might see it that way. Besides, from everything I see in the bubble minus the Betting odds, she is not the clear runaway favorite of almost everyone. Things are still open, although yes, Loreen will almost undoubtedly do well, but it’s in no way unfathomable that she will not be first. She is my personal winner (and yes that’s mostly because of the song, because I love it), so I hope she will win and make history, but there are plenty of other contestants who have small to decent shots to beat her.

 

[rasmuslights]

Think you might be fairly alone in thinking Cha Cha Cha and Toy are in any way similar

yeah for me cha cha cha is more like iceland 2019 when it comes to its potential with the juries. It'll do better than Hatari but I just can't see it win.