Slovakia SLOVAKIA 2014

[A-lister]

Meh. Solution for them - make a decent song and send it.

... just to undeservingly flop again? They've sent great entries (2010, 2009, 1998, 1996), but never succeeded... I totally get why they won't come back with the treatment they've got.

 

[Matt]

... just to undeservingly flop again? They've sent great entries (2010, 2009, 1998, 1996), but never succeeded... I totally get why they won't come back with the treatment they've got.

I'm sorry but I disagree, all of those songs mentioned were bad, especially 2009 I think almost everybody hated that one.

2011 was bearable but boring, other than that all of their entries were below average so I'm not surprised about the outcome.

 

[theCONWEL]

2009

 

[A-lister]

I'm sorry but I disagree, all of those songs mentioned were bad, especially 2009 I think almost everybody hated that one.

2011 was bearable but boring, other than that all of their entries were below average so I'm not surprised about the outcome.

Funny that you'd point out their most generic and soulless wannabe American attempt as their only "bearable" entry... but each to their own.

And what's with this "almost everyone hated that one"... is personal taste somehow universal truth all out of sudden?, well if that's so then we can speak about their 2010 entry... and I know you have a dislike for that one aswell, but that was indeed universally praised amongst ESC fans atleast, and still to this date it's mentioned as one of those entries that deserved a better outcome. Now, I know you don't agree on that, and that's fine cause it's about personal taste, but just generally speaking.

Oh and again, had Turkey, Greece or Russia sent those entries, they would have qualified no doubt... even with that awful noise they (Slovakia) sent in 2012. I think most people agree by now that the outcome in ESC has so many factors to it that it can't be used as some sort of proof of whether an entry is good or bad or actually liked. To some extent yes, but not with certainty.

 

[A-lister]

2009

Thank you! Some want their Disney-ish ballads (preferably in English), I prefer ballads with some sort of personality and genuinity to them, and I think this dramatic melancholic ballad provided just that, but that's personal taste of course. The relative success of Albania's "Suus" in 2012 was sorta making up for the mistreatment of the Slovak 2009 entry though, as they have some resemblances in style and vocals delivery.

And I've been pointing it out before in here, but it's hilarious with these vocals obsessed juries that overlooked that one, while praising generic Disney ballads instead... whether one liked the 2009 entry or not, it had some of the best live vocals provided in ESC for the past decade and no doubt in that year. I mean the only time the juries showed Slovakia some love was with that cheesy wannabe stuff they sent in 2011... enough said.

Well, I stick to my opinion that Slovakia is one of those countries that got overlooked for simply being the "wrong country".

 

[DanielLuis]

Thank you! Some want their Disney-ish ballads (preferably in English), I prefer ballads with some sort of personality and genuinity to them, and I think this dramatic melancholic ballad provided just that, but that's personal taste of course. The relative success of Albania's "Suus" in 2012 was sorta making up for the mistreatment of the Slovak 2009 entry though, as they have some resemblances in style and vocals delivery.

And I've been pointing it out before in here, but it's hilarious with these vocals obsessed juries that overlooked that one, while praising generic Disney ballads instead... whether one liked the 2009 entry or not, it had some of the best live vocals provided in ESC for the past decade and no doubt in that year. I mean the only time the juries showed Slovakia some love was with that cheesy wannabe stuff they sent in 2011... enough said.

Well, I stick to my opinion that Slovakia is one of those countries that got overlooked for simply being the "wrong country".

You don't know wether the juries overlooked Slovakia 2009 or not. For all we know Croatia could have placed first and Slovakia second for juries in that semi final. And that's not overlooking.
Anyway I agree with you, Slovakia 2009 was great and 2011 was just horribly meh and one of the blandest entries in the past few years.

 

[A-lister]

You don't know wether the juries overlooked Slovakia 2009 or not For all we know Croatia could have placed first and Slovakia second for juries in that semi final. And that's not overlooking.
Anyway I agree with you, Slovakia 2009 was great and 2011 was just horribly meh and one of the blandest entries in the past few years.

Well, the wild-cards were only given out in cases where the jury disagreed with the televoters, in other words it's highly possible that it didn't get jury support either... but that's of course speculation, point is though that if they actually wanted to help them, they could have.

Agree with the last point!

 

[Matt]

Funny that you'd point out their most generic and soulless wannabe American attempt as their only "bearable" entry... but each to their own.

And what's with this "almost everyone hated that one"... is personal taste somehow universal truth all out of sudden?, well if that's so then we can speak about their 2010 entry... and I know you have a dislike for that one aswell, but that was indeed universally praised amongst ESC fans atleast, and still to this date it's mentioned as one of those entries that deserved a better outcome. Now, I know you don't agree on that, and that's fine cause it's about personal taste, but just generally speaking.

Oh and again, had Turkey, Greece or Russia sent those entries, they would have qualified no doubt... even with that awful noise they (Slovakia) sent in 2012. I think most people agree by now that the outcome in ESC has so many factors to it that it can't be used as some sort of proof of whether an entry is good or bad or actually liked. To some extent yes, but not with certainty.

I didn't say 2010 was hated I said 2009 was. If you go back and check, it was a the bottom of basically every single poll and popularity contest. I'm not saying that it's a measurement for quality in any shape or form, I merely pointed out that it was disliked by the viewers tremendously which refelected in the outcome.

And I didn't say I liked or loved 2011, I just said it's the only Slovakian entry that didn't make me want to put my head in a giant blender, all their other efforts were even weaker. And I'm glad the televoters agree with me

We all know that Turkey, Greece and Russia seem to have a nice headstart when it comes to votes. But if it was France, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands etc they would have equally flopped with those entries, it has nothing to do with Slovakia. I don't understand how people think, voters go "Oh it's Slovakia, well I won't vote for them". Slovakia's efforst have been underwhelming until now and if they want to succeed they just have to try harder.

We can argue about 2010 back and forth and personal taste. I hate it, you love it. On the nights were it counted Kristina was off key and awkward onstage runing her odds. It just didn't connect with the average viewer.

 

[A-lister]

I didn't say 2010 was hated I said 2009 was. If you go back and check, it was a the bottom of basically every single poll and popularity contest. I'm not saying that it's a measurement for quality in any shape or form, I merely pointed out that it was disliked by the viewers tremendously which refelected in the outcome.

And I didn't say I liked or loved 2011, I just said it's the only Slovakian entry that didn't make me want to put my head in a giant blender, all their other efforts were even weaker. And I'm glad the televoters agree with me

We all know that Turkey, Greece and Russia seem to have a nice headstart when it comes to votes. But if it was France, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands etc they would have equally flopped with those entries, it has nothing to do with Slovakia. I don't understand how people think, voters go "Oh it's Slovakia, well I won't vote for them". Slovakia's efforst have been underwhelming until now and if they want to succeed they just have to try harder.

We can argue about 2010 back and forth and personal taste. I hate it, you love it. On the nights were it counted Kristina was off key and awkward onstage runing her odds. It just didn't connect with the average viewer.

It's true 2009 wasn't universally liked, I guess my point was that in the end of the day it doesn't say much, and I guess I just pointed out the 2010 entry since your post made it seem like none of their entries had any fans support, which I'd say is untrue.

Well, as we've settled it's about personal taste in the end of the day, I didn't say you liked or loved their 2011 attempt, I just responded to that you thought it was their best one...

Well, I think Slovakia also struggles with the "political irrelevant" factor aswell amongst having little diaspora help and belonging to a bloc of countries where ESC isn't really that big nor is bloc voting. Slovakia is this "not western enough - not eastern enough", which I would argue make them even more vulnerable in ESC than let's say Germany or Netherlands for instance.

Well, I can't say I wasn't too satisfied with Kristina's live performance either (although she was vocally alright, but came across as uncomfortable - the background vocalist was the main problem imo though), but just look at Hadise the previous year, she practically sucked live and that performance was a big mess, yet she ended up in the top. 5... which again shows that belonging to the right bunch of countries matters aswell.

 

[Scooby]

I like their 2009 song, and of course studio version of Horehronie

 

[Milos-BC]

I liked the 2010 and 2012 entries. "Horehronie" was my absolute fave of ESC 2010, and I expected a good result, but as I stated several times I know why it failed that much.

 

[wyq614]

I think if Eurovision does not have a mechanism to help a country to get rid of consecutive failure of qualifying, more country will withdraw in the future.

 

[Milos-BC]

^^ What kind of mechanism should that be?

 

[BGN]

^Maybe something of the sort - one wildcard spot, which will be given to the best non-qualifying entry from a list of countries, which have more than 3 failures in a row. At least that was proposed by the Bulgarian delegate in the recent EBU meeting in Berlin. Maybe something like this could work well.

 

[A-lister]

^Maybe something of the sort - one wildcard spot, which will be given to the best non-qualifying entry from a list of countries, which have more than 3 failures in a row. At least that was proposed by the Bulgarian delegate in the recent EBU meeting in Berlin. Maybe something like this could work well.

If the juries would be kicked out, Bulgaria would have already qualified twice in a row... enough said...

 

[BGN]

The jury will not be dismissed in the forseeable future, because it's warm-welcomed by certain powerful countries in the contest. So EBU should develop mechanisms which will prevent countries to loose their faith and to withdraw after many consecutive failures.
The best thing is to prevent these failures and after more than 3 non-qualifications, the best-placed country (outside the qualification spots) from this group to enter in the final.

 

[Nikoreindeer1973]

 

[NemesisNick]

The jury will not be dismissed in the forseeable future, because it's warm-welcomed by certain powerful countries in the contest. So EBU should develop mechanisms which will prevent countries to loose their faith and to withdraw after many consecutive failures.
The best thing is to prevent these failures and after more than 3 non-qualifications, the best-placed country (outside the qualification spots) from this group to enter in the final.

Well it's interesting how The Netherlands tolerated 8 consecutive years (2005 to 2012) of not qualifying to the final, until this year 2013 they reached the final with "Birds". Countries will now have to accept that it's possible to go for several years of failing to qualify for the final, and just reaching the final is now an achievement to be proud of, even if you come last in the final.

 

[A-lister]

Well it's interesting how The Netherlands tolerated 8 consecutive years (2005 to 2012) of not qualifying to the final, until this year 2013 they reached the final with "Birds". Countries will now have to accept that it's possible to go for several years of failing to qualify for the final, and just reaching the final is now an achievement to be proud of, even if you come last in the final.

If it weren't for the juries, the Netherlands would have qualified atleast one time more (2012) and they were close to make it in 2010 based on televoting aswell...

 

[BGN]

Well it's interesting how The Netherlands tolerated 8 consecutive years (2005 to 2012) of not qualifying to the final, until this year 2013 they reached the final with "Birds". Countries will now have to accept that it's possible to go for several years of failing to qualify for the final, and just reaching the final is now an achievement to be proud of, even if you come last in the final.

Bulgaria also tolerates 6 consecutive years of not qualifiyng and will continue to participate, but this doesn't mean that all broadcasters can afford the attitude of BNT or TROS. It's about money from the public budget afterall