Second year in a row: Are you happy with the 100% televote system?

[Mainshow]

You forgot 2021?

We hadn't had the current televoting-only system yet.. yeah but truth told - that song was fun/entertaining and it got points by all competing countires but one.

Thus, I fail to see why should be wishing to see the juries back in the semis... to continue sending "Sand"s and "Where I Am"? - qualifying with 5 pts from the televoting (and 4 of them were from friendly Norway?) meh.

 

[jatojo]

Thus, I fail to see why should be wishing to see the juries back in the semis... to continue sending "Sand"s and "Where I Am"? - qualifying with 5 pts from the televoting (and 4 of them were from friendly Norway?) meh.

The main problem right now, as I see it, is that the midtempo songs can't keep up. Either the televoters go for the freaky party stuff, or they go for the contrast, the very slow songs. Some would say "hey, that's how Eurovision is nowadays". I just don't think it's good. The competition looks more and more like the Eurovision of the late 00's. An era that most of the sensible followers of the contest find problematic.

The recent development is to some degree caused by several nations not having their own contest. That means that they can "design" their songs according to what rules happen to be in effect at the time. Thus, when you have no juries in the semis, the countries will tend to go for what televoters want. I don't think there is any doubt that this is what we are seeing this year (=many "party songs").

Then you could argue that it's fair that the "people" decide. Right, but what if the Danes and the Germans decide to vote for midtempo songs - because that's what they prefer? Then they will do badly in the voting. Which is why I think the existence of juries is very much justified.

As I mentioned in another post, it remains to be seen how big a gap there is between the juries and the televoters this year. If the final becomes a paradise for slow well-sung ballads, then we have the problem of two very different success criteria in each their half of the contest. I don't like that at all. I can't think of a sport or other kind of contest where it's like that.

 

[ViVillRejv]

I love it and wish for the return of 100% televote in the GF too (fully aware that it's an unpopular opinion).

 

[jatojo]

This year's Eurovision confirmed my opinion about the juries. They should only have a 30 percent influence, but in both the semi-finals and the grand final. Not only would this be more fair, I also think it would make the show slightly more exciting.

 

[Grinch]

100% televote in semis
100% televote in the grand final

 

[HayashiM]

I am not happy about it and I want it to end, because its biggest eventual result is crowning jury favourites.

 

[Realest]

With Juries and would have qualified instead of and?

 

[Judas]

The main problem for me is the fact that the current system gives a huge boost to one jury favorite song in the final. Last year it was Sweden, this year it was Switzerland. I have no issues with Switzerland winning, in fact I am so happy. But it doesn't change the fact that the system is broken.

 

[NeoTen]

With Juries and would have qualified instead of and?

Yes to all, except instead of . Denmark even have international juries in their own national final. That's one of the reasons these nordic countries do well. So, a future effect of this ludicrous rule is that we'll have even more people in joke and more excentric acts, just to make the final as they have a higher chance of being noticed in a SF than with a 2010s standard Scandinavian styled pop songs.
This topic will be closed in a few years when juries refuse to vote for an obvious fan favorite because of a political statement. Just watch it.

 

[gigi_copp3]

The main problem for me is the fact that the current system gives a huge boost to one jury favorite song in the final. Last year it was Sweden, this year it was Switzerland. I have no issues with Switzerland winning, in fact I am so happy. But it doesn't change the fact that the system is broken.

Yeah.
That's because the pool for jury-baits shortens, and the few that were stronger enough to get a top result in the Semis get more and more votes.
Maybe a 30% jury influence on both semis and the final could work.

 

[dogmeat]

After all the drama this year, nobody's thinking about juries/televotes now. But this is 2nd year in the row when the public favorite lost to the jury favorite after an incredibly boring jury voting.
But the biggest problem is that the last 4 jury winners all follow the same formula: midtempo electropop with strong vocal performance. Don't get me wrong, they were all good songs that deserve praise. It's that it's getting repetitive and predictable, while the televote winners exhbit a great variety of styles.

 

[Storm]

But the biggest problem is that the last 4 jury winners all follow the same formula: midtempo electropop with strong vocal performance. Don't get me wrong, they were all good songs that deserve praise. It's that it's getting repetitive and predictable, while the televote winners exhbit a great variety of styles.

Don't know about that. Cha Cha Cha and Rim Tim Dagi Dim have been compared all season and both are very Electric Callboy inspired. And there's also Maneskin on the rock spectrum. Sure there are differences, but there are also differences between Loreen and Gjon's Tears...

 

[dogmeat]

Salvador Sobral was the last entry that both juries and televote placed 1st. Now, just compare the split winners since then

Jury winners:

Televote winners:

And 2024 too, of course
All good songs, but only one of these lists is seriously lacking in variety

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I don't see great problems with the voting system here. Switzerland was a deserved jury winner, Croatia a deserved televote winner. Croatia chances were fucked up by that not so high televote scores, due in particular to pity votes for Israel. Juries didn't mess It so much, because Croatia was still their third favourite, and Slimane being second was understandable. It was televote which didn't give him enough points to overturn a legit jury vote.

Baby Lasagna was unfortunate, but Nemo win is legit. That's what I feel.

 

[ViVillRejv]

Yes and I wish we'd bring back 100% televote in the GF too. I don't care for juries' opinions since they don't award impeccable vocals regardless of genre anymore (they should judge like pros, Spain 2023 and so many other entries got nothing) so I don't see the point in still having them. It is also more fun to see what other Eurovision viewers - the audience - liked or disliked.

 

[soundofsilence]

@dogmeat FYROM won jury vote in 2019
came 2nd

 

[esc87fan]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the 50-50 split needs to stay in the final. With the televote-only semifinals, very little jury-friendly songs go through in favor of the high-energy "dance-y" songs and novelty songs (case in point: Finland and Estonia this year) which gives the juries in the final few options to work with. I keep saying it - we need both sides to keep the other in check

As for Nemo doing so well with the juries, it's fairly obvious to me that they went above and beyond to check off every box of the jury criteria (artist vocal capacity, onstage performance, song composition/originality and overall impression) to merit 22 sets of 12s and 13 other countries giving them a score no lower than 5 points (Croatia's blanking of them in the jury vote is a curious story). If the juries had stayed in the semifinals, then certainly Switzerland would have won semifinal 2 by a mile instead of Israel

 

[HarryUK]

I welcome the fact that we are mostly free of boring ballads thanks to this rule! I’m also a firm believer in if you have a great song, you will get points. No country in my view is at a disadvantage with 100% televotes in the semi final - just lazy ones who don’t learn their lesson (cough Denmark). Ultimately it’s important in my view that the public have as much say as possible on who is in their final (minus the big 5 - because without their cash, Eurovision could not continue to evolve)

 

[Realest]

Until the EBU doesnt release the juryvotes from the semis the last 2 years, we dont know, if it works better or not.

My Guess is:

Semi1 2023: would have qualified over (3 Points is easy to overtake).
Semi2 2023: Nothing would have changed, since the gap is too big.
Semi1 2024: would have qualified instead of (18 Points).
Semi2 2024: would have qualified instead of probably.