SAN MARINO 2012 - Valentina Monetta - The Social Network Song oh oh-uh-oh oh

[qabadachia]

I know they say that there's no such thing as "bad marketing" but if I were the one in charge of promotions in Apple, I would forbid the use of Apple products in this particular video.

 

[Sean]

Why is the iPad 'there' on that picture

 

[qabadachia]

Why is the iPad 'there' on that picture

Well... It IS a pad, you know. Perhaps she got a visit from Aunt Flo.

 

[Sean]

Well... It IS a pad, you know. Perhaps she got a visit from Aunt Flo.

Oh god this thread is getting even weirder

 

[Musicosity]

Oh god this thread is getting even weirder

Well, what do you expect? "Weird" is the name of this game since San dwarf-state-in-italy had decided to present their song.

 

[cassio]

Actually, the Russian ladies sing in a traditional folky way, which in the context, is in tune.

I see so its tradition in this kind of Russian songs that the word out of tune means in tune..... listen also to almost any ends of a phrase the tone drops 1/4...... And Im not referring to the dorian scale. Which I believe the russian folk songs are based on. Which can sound sound a bit disharmonic to Scandinavians because our folk songs are mostly pure mayor or minor scales.

 

[KaptenFisk]

Haha this is sooooo bad. San Marino had the chance to change song but didn't take it??!

 

[A-lister]

Haha this is sooooo bad. San Marino had the chance to change song but didn't take it??!

Considering this thread is on its 81th page and their previous entry ended at 27 pages, I think they did the exact right thing

Had they chosen the other rumored song, this thread would be dead by now.

 

[A-lister]

I see so its tradition in this kind of Russian songs that the word out of tune means in tune..... listen also to almost any ends of a phrase the tone drops 1/4...... And Im not referring to the dorian scale. Which I believe the russian folk songs are based on. Which can sound sound a bit disharmonic to Scandinavians because our folk songs are mostly pure mayor or minor scales.

Well, it is a traditional slavic folky way of singing, but also add that these ladies are old and kinda lost their voices so it may sound even 'worse' to 'western ears'.

 

[KaptenFisk]

^ Well you're probably right on that last thing and many people will for sure remember San Marino 2012.

It feels like they're just trying to troll the whole ESC.

 

[A-lister]

It feels like they're just trying to troll the whole ESC.

Maybe so, but if I'd to choose between this cult entry, and some complete utterly uninspired generic bore, I'd go for this one

 

[Franco]

It feels like they're just trying to troll the whole ESC.

They completely succeded. And I love it.
I wonder if they planned everything from the beginning: putting the word Facebook into the text so that the song would be rejected and then replacing it with beep beep to troll even more. It's EPIC!

I'm expecting the final coup de théâtre in Baku with Valentina's live performance.

 

[gustav]

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[cassio]

Well, it is a traditional slavic folky way of singing, but also add that these ladies are old and kinda lost their voices so it may sound even 'worse' to 'western ears'.

My dislike of the Russian entry is actually not that I dislike the song........ because I only do that because Russia has chosen to put a specific Russian folk song in the ESC..... and thereby letting 6 old ladies walk on a red carpet together with all the rest of young well shined people and glitter and glamour. In the context Russia is sining next the Marino Autotune Machine Uh Uh Ah Ah thing. makes a traditional / happy song become kitsch ....... Makes me think that Russian folk music is kitsch ..... and again in ESC its just a song with old people who can't sing. Its out of tune instead of auto tune.

 

[A-lister]

They completely succeded. And I love it.
I wonder if they planned everything from the beginning: putting the word Facebook into the text so that the song would be rejected and then replacing it with beep beep to troll even more. It's EPIC!

Oh, this was 100% planned no doubt about it.

 

[MyStar]

because I only do that because Russia has chosen to put a specific Russian folk song in the ESC..... and thereby letting 6 old ladies walk on a red carpet together with all the rest of young well shined people and glitter and glamour.

I think this is the attitude that spells the death of things like Eurovision, i.e to me it reads like a disdain for anything that does not subscribe to polished, Western discoursed conventional 'pop' and commercialism. Let's not forget first of all that the Russian public overwhelmingly voted for this song. Secondly, because a bunch of older women wear traditional dress does not make the song a 'folk song' - because it pretty blatantly isn't. In addition, and I think this is important in Eurovision (because let's be honest it is also about celebrating and promoting national culture); the song does a lot to bring the Udmurt language onto a national stage. It is not merely about winning, but about highlighting cultural diversity and a national 'brand' so to speak. So i'm sorry if you dislike entries that are not uniform and will not look good on a red carpet, but the day Eurovision becomes akin to X-Factor is the day I stop following the contest.

 

[demonl]

San Marino should bring out biggest trolling performance ever at Baku.

I as much as the next don't want to see it turn into a pure comedy festival, but always good to stick it to the EBU

 

[A-lister]

I think this is the attitude that spells the death of things like Eurovision, i.e to me it reads like a disdain for anything that does not subscribe to polished, Western discoursed conventional 'pop' and commercialism. Let's not forget first of all that the Russian public overwhelmingly voted for this song. Secondly, because a bunch of older women wear traditional dress does not make the song a 'folk song' - because it pretty blatantly isn't. In addition, and I think this is important in Eurovision (because let's be honest it is also about celebrating and promoting national culture); the song does a lot to bring the Udmurt language onto a national stage. It is not merely about winning, but about highlighting cultural diversity and a national 'brand' so to speak. So i'm sorry if you dislike entries that are not uniform and will not look good on a red carpet, but the day Eurovision becomes akin to X-Factor is the day I stop following the contest.

100% agree!

However, apart from the chorus and disco beats, the Russian entry is pretty much a folk song.

 

[MyStar]

I think the only way we can call it a folk song is if we take an ethnographical approach to the idea of songwriting, based on the ideas of traditional lyrics structure and content (i.e the investigations taken in existing Baltic discourse, for example, on the rise of Estonian national identity through song). However, if we take it like that then all it boils down to is lyrical bases about shared experiences - which make most songs in a forum like Eurovision inherently folk in nature.

Does this mean we are too quick to define genres of song? Possibly.

 

[gustav]

They completely succeded. And I love it.

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