Portugal PORTUGAL 2015 - Leonor Andrade - Há um mar que nos separa

[DanielLuis]

Thanks for you replay but I really don´t agree with you...please give me examples of what you said: "...But if a song is good enough, it will get votes even if it is an island in the middle of nowhere..." Yes it can have votes but not votes enough to win if it is not support by diaspora and we have lots of examples!! In all history of ESC I really don't know 1 example of this, maybe in the lets 60´s yes but not in the lasts 10/15 years.thanks

Austria won last year. They sure have a lot of diaspora. The Netherlands finished 2nd. We sure have a DutchTown in every single major European city, forget chinatown! And what about those Swedes, who have infested every single region of the world with their huge diaspora? That is definitely the reason why they finished 3rd last year, and won 3 years ago!
And surely, diaspora is the reason Denmark won in 2013, Norway in 2009 and Germany in 2010!

By the way, a little island "in the middle of nowhere" named Malta finished 2nd in 2005 and 2002. And a little island "in the middle of nowhere" named Iceland finished in 2nd in 2009.

The reason why Portugal doesn't do well, is simply because RTP doesn't give a damn. Did you even watch our NF this year? Every single song was an absolute disaster, as if they were kept in cryopreservation since the 1950s, and not representative at all of Portugal's music scene. Not even "Há um mar que nos separa" was that good, even though it got better with the revamp.

And I honestly don't believe you have watched Eurovision in the past 5 years, because if you did you would realize quality wins in the end of the day.

Besides, the reason why Eurovision is not as popular as it was here is, once again, RTP. If they gave a damn they could it make it the most popular show of the year, like the Dutch broadcaster did in the past couple of years, for example.

 

[lacrymea]

Thanks for you replay but I really don´t agree with you...please give me examples of what you said: "...But if a song is good enough, it will get votes even if it is an island in the middle of nowhere..." Yes it can have votes but not votes enough to win if it is not support by diaspora and we have lots of examples!! In all history of ESC I really don't know 1 example of this, maybe in the lets 60´s yes but not in the lasts 10/15 years.thanks

I'll give you just an example. A very recent one: Austria. Small country, a few neighbours, no diaspora. Very bad results in the past 10 years, almost never qualifying. And then they won. The Netherlands: Almost invisible in ESC in the past decade. Got better and better, ended 2nd last year.

So no, it's not impossible.

 

[lacrymea]

[MENTION=5604]daniel[/MENTION] - We just wrote the exact same examples :-D

EDIT: The same 1st examples. Your research was clearly better than mine lol

 

[DanielLuis]

[MENTION=5604]daniel[/MENTION] - We just wrote the exact same examples :-D

EDIT: The same 1st examples. Your research was clearly better than mine lol

Clearly that user didn't watch last year's ESC though, it's seriously how far you have to go to prove that diaspora and neighbour voting aren't really that influential in Eurovision anymore

 

[lacrymea]

Clearly that user didn't watch last year's ESC though, it's seriously how far you have to go to prove that diaspora and neighbour voting aren't really that influential in Eurovision anymore

True! And i'll be honest: this year i'm particularly fed up with all the moaning around block voting or lack of neighbours or whatever. Self pitty is very annoying. Cause at the end of the day, it doesn't really take us anywhere. If we want to do good, we have to work for it. End of story.

 

[Alberca]

I think I guess what Lightcity is trying to say somehow. Yes, of course if you do things well, you get results. However, it is a fact that some countries have to do it extreeeeemely well compared to other countries in order to get the same results. As a Spaniard myself I got to hear already too many times from foreigners that Pastora and Ruth Lorenzo would have achieved a much better result had they represented another (Eastern) country. And that's a true, imho. Diaspora and block voting are very important when it comes to voting. Yes, sure that most times (not always at all) Spain gives points to Portugal and vice-versa, but for example these two countries have always sung in their languages, which are pretty close, and sometimes presented local genres well-know and appreciated in the other country, which COULD be a reason for the voting. Seeing the former Yugoslavian republics, the former USSR republics, the Scandinavian countries, etc. voting sistematically each other no matter which entry (language, genre) they send, is a bit awkward. And Conchita, singing a -in any case- great song, benefitted from the gay diaspora, of which I am a proud representative, don't get me wrong.

Of course it is not impossible for Portugal or Spain to overcome that barrier, they have to work hard and send an appropriate entry, but to me it makes no sense to deny that these two countries, as well as other countries, start from a much more difficult position than many other participants.

 

[bbm099]

I think I guess what Lightcity is trying to say somehow. Yes, of course if you do things well, you get results. However, it is a fact that some countries have to do it extreeeeemely well compared to other countries in order to get the same results. As a Spaniard myself I got to hear already too many times from foreigners that Pastora and Ruth Lorenzo would have achieved a much better result had they represented another (Eastern) country. And that's a true, imho. Diaspora and block voting are very important when it comes to voting. Yes, sure that most times (not always at all) Spain gives points to Portugal and vice-versa, but for example these two countries have always sung in their languages, which are pretty close, and sometimes presented local genres well-know and appreciated in the other country, which COULD be a reason for the voting. Seeing the former Yugoslavian republics, the former USSR republics, the Scandinavian countries, etc. voting sistematically each other no matter which entry (language, genre) they send, is a bit awkward. And Conchita, singing a -in any case- great song, benefitted from the gay diaspora, of which I am a proud representative, don't get me wrong.

Of course it is not impossible for Portugal or Spain to overcome that barrier, they have to work hard and send an appropriate entry, but to me it makes no sense to deny that these two countries, as well as other countries, start from a much more difficult position than many other participants.

Yes, that's true and i think most people here are aware of it.

The thing we cannot do is use only that to justify our results, as the only reason we're not succeeding... and that's what Lightcity was saying. That's not true at all. Sure it counts to an extent, but the biggest problem is our inhability to understand what's trendy, our inhability to produce music (and an act) accordingly and mostly, a team that every year shows very little commitment to achieve a good result... the only thing they know how to do is saying "We'll give what we have on stage and hope for the best". I mean, all we have is what we are sending? no, it isn't. We can do good music, we have good producers, good singers, good dancers and good choreographers, we have good designers and good technicians... so how about we start doing things the right way instead of letting everyhting in the hands of faith? How about we stop complaining about diaspora and start sending good and modern songs, doing PROMOTION of the song in other countries... i don't know, the obvious things! I'm pretty sure the results wouldn't be that bad.

And the other thing about quitting because they spend our money... i mean, they cannot be spending that much since the team is minimal and we don't have anything expensive on stage for the show. But even if that was true, then why complain about eurovision (a cultural and international event where we can show ourselves to Europe and to other points of the globe - another reason why we should start taking it more seriously) and not complain about the ridiculous salary RTP (so, our money) pays to a lot of employees? That's money flying every month, eurovision in one time a year... guess it would be much more effective

That being said, i'm nervous already for tonight always hoping for a miracle
Good luck to Leonor and everyone else working for those 3min to be as perfect as possible

 

[cegs5]

Of course it is not impossible for Portugal or Spain to overcome that barrier, they have to work hard and send an appropriate entry, but to me it makes no sense to deny that these two countries, as well as other countries, start from a much more difficult position than many other participants.

Indeed, Spain starts from being qualified straight to the final, a very difficult position compared with other contestants.

 

[henhu]

I heard this song on the bus today...

 

[CaraMia]

I heard this song on the bus today...

In Estonia? On the radio?

 

[henhu]

In Estonia? On the radio?

Yes, in Estonia. It was either on the radio or somebody listened it without headphones

 

[Alberca]

Indeed, Spain starts from being qualified straight to the final, a very difficult position compared with other contestants.

Taking into account that their song is heard just once, I would not say that this is precisely an advantage to win the whole thing. Should they be able to perform in the semifinals, just to show their merchandise to Europe, then it would be an advantage.

 

[cegs5]

Taking into account that their song is heard just once, I would not say that this is precisely an advantage to win the whole thing. Should they be able to perform in the semifinals, just to show their merchandise to Europe, then it would be an advantage.

that's why i said indeed.

 

[Scooby]

Before I don't think this one can do well in second semi, but now I am more than convicted Portugal is 100% qualifier.

 

[Smudy]

I'm still unconvinced that it will reach the finals unfortunately And i love the song, too.

 

[Musicosity]

I'm still unconvinced that it will reach the finals unfortunately And i love the song, too.

Let's vote for it.

 

[GermanBango]

Let's vote for it.

I'm thinking about that too

 

[Alberca]

I'm thinking about that too

Please do so!! Bitte bitte bitte!!

 

[Romeo]

what happened last night? why did Portugal perform twice?

 

[lacrymea]

what happened last night? why did Portugal perform twice?

Apparently Leonor had problems with her ear monitor throughout the entire performance :-/