Jury vs Televote

[AlekS]

^ahem??!!
Did you even read my quote? I clearly said system, not your votes.

 

[Schlagerman1]

I am an another one that thinks that it is a bit unfair to have the jury voting on the rehearsal and not on the real night, but I can see that it is almost physically and time-consuming almost impossible to do it at the same time. The results need to be out directly after the songs, it is what is has been and will forever be like that. The only thing that could fix this, is to have a timeplan like the Asia-Pacific Song Contest now have, preformances on Friday and final results on Sunday, maybe then ESC can have jury- and televoting at the same night.

Still I can live with that ESC has like this..just silly to read all the newspapers here that almost every year writes "50% OF THE RESULTS IS ALREADY DECIDED!!!!"

 

[Mickey]

Still I can live with that ESC has like this..just silly to read all the newspapers here that almost every year writes "50% OF THE RESULTS IS ALREADY DECIDED!!!!"

That's interesting. Where are you from? Over here in the UK, it is never mentioned at all. I didn't know the jury voted beforehand until I joined this forum. A lack of openness about how the juries vote was something I was going to complain about.

 

[ParadiseES]

That's true. Only the fans know how this contest work. There are not information for viewers.

 

[AlekS]

same problem here. We find out about their voting from their officials on talk shows or from the newspapers =/ even to find out the jury members would be a big problem because the official NTU site never mentions it, not talking about their votes and procedure.

 

[Milos-BC]

RTS didn't mention that either In fact, most of the things they are saying are "he is the biggest star in his country.......she is the biggest star in her country........THEY ARE THE BIGGEST STARS IN THEIR COUNTRY!.........Yes, jury votes just like the audience...........all of you start sending votes for Milan Stankovic, you know that you like his song the best, right?"

 

[American Andy]

I, personally, think that the juries should vote on the Grand Final night, as the performance should be considered when evaluating the song. Historically, the juries voted on the songs on the night of the Contest. However, the Contest is not, nor should it ever be, a singing competition. The juries are not there to judge vocal abilities (though, Harel was great on the Final night, save for that botched note near the end -- and Didrik, as much as I love that song, was terrible; he was flat throughout the entire song), they are there to judge the songs, their lyrics and music. And, as far as I know, each jury has a certified EBU notary with them during the voting process. The juries are in the host city, watch the dress rehearsals live, then are sequestered, with said notary, until all voting is done. We know the juries are together at some point because each of the past three years, there has been claims that juries have had "inappropriate" contact with one another in their hotel and around the arena (i.e., making deals with people to get them to vote for their country's song).

All things considered, the current voting system is great! I think adopting the Our Sound voting procedure (a separate performance and results show) would be silly and unnecessary.

 

[ParadiseES]

^
Juries are not in the host city during the voting process. Actually they have to stay in their country

 

[American Andy]

Either way, they do have an official EBU notary there to make sure everything is going on properly!

 

[aletem]

I don't mind the fact that juries vote during the rehearsals. This gives an advantage for everyone. The performers are not nervous, not much pressure is put on them, and I'm sure they could deliver it well. And juries have probably heard the songs before hand, so their opinion changes based on the overall performance (voice, choreography, etc).

 

[Tribeca]

I don't understand why there always has to be a jury! Isn't it supposed to be the people's choice? And for all I know, the jury is just normal people with extra power to affect the result! They should be televoters! Jury voting is never fair!

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

You know why there needs to be a jury .

 

[A-lister]

You know why there needs to be a jury .

Yes, why?

To turn this into some sort of European "American Idol" where the songs isn't important anymore only the voices?

To vote for old-fashion ballads that would get almost zero votes without jury help?

To hate on everything that is not sounding westernized or americanized? Which basically means that everything that is somehow connected to the certain countries music cultures and traditions are being punished.

This is EUROvision SONG Contest

Not "American wannabe idol"..

The juries hasn't really understood that yet... also did they prevent diaspora voting? No they even HELPED in some cases!

So yes... tell me what is really the point with the juries other than destroying this contest?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

The point is to give Western countries an equal chance... if televoting was fair then we would never have called for juries .

 

[goktengri]

Televoting is not fair. Half of people votes for countries.

But I'm not sure that Jury voting is fair too. :/

 

[A-lister]

The point is to give Western countries an equal chance... if televoting was fair then we would never have called for juries .

I know the point, but it's not working really.

And what about these countries that are not considered "west enough" or "east enough" that is stuck in between and won't get any help from any "side" like for instance Poland and Slovakia?

And what about diaspora voting, which is a much BIGGER problem than the so called "block voting" ? Greece and Turkey still gets alot of help from the juries no matter what...

And what about western countries starting to send good songs for instance?

And when a western country actually send something current (like France 2010) then the juries doesn't give a anyways so what's the point?

 

[goktengri]

And what about diaspora voting, which is a much BIGGER problem than the so called "block voting" ? Greece and Turkey still gets alot of help from the juries no matter what...

If we had not diaspora, we would never be in top 10. Well it's a problem but isn't there any problem about people don't care or don't want to vote for some countries ?

Also, can you prove me that we get help from juries, should i remind you we didn't get top 5 before televoting years ?

Political voting issue is important as much as diaspora voting.

 

[A-lister]

If we had not diaspora, we would never be in top 10. Well it's a problem but isn't there any problem about people don't care or don't want to vote for some countries ?

Also, can you prove me that we get help from juries, should i remind you we didn't get top 5 before televoting years ?

Political voting issue is important as much as diaspora voting.

There is a major problem with people voting only for countries, but those voters happens to be (in most cases) diaspora voters so...

I know that the juries treated countries like Greece and Turkey badly in the past, but nowadays I wouldn't say so and I think the juries see a problem in blocs rather than diaspora voting.

In the end of the day I don't want the juries to "punish" anyone, I want them to vote for the best songs. If the western countries can't come up with the best songs, then I don't see why they should get any help?

 

[aletem]

Both Slovakia and Poland weren't voted enough by the televoters, so no need to blame it on the jury. The jury voted pretty close with the televoters.

 

[lucian-crusher]

I agree that the televoting is not fair but it doesen't influence the winer. As we saw in the last two years juries and televote had the same favourite, so as long as the winer is correct I don't care if the song on 2nd place is placed because people voted on the country and not the song. IMO is just the winer and then, from 2nd to 25th place it doesen't matter as they don't get anything....