Jury Criteria

[Alaska49]

sanja getting almost all of her points, INCLUDING JURY, from alliances 33333 hilarious

getting the maximum televote possible from her block lifted sanja from her 23rd placement in averages to........18th. so excuse me if i am not clamoring for the immediate end of block voting lol. even if it was 100% televote, she would be 11th instead of 21st (her average), which, while a big difference, took the absolute most extreme case of block voting and still didn't even break top 10.

 

[lolita]

Hahaha, I am not offended, because one can not get offended by truth. However, you could put Russia or Soviet countries for example, not just poor Serbia. Now, I won't defend anymore! (just kidding, of course) I am either way for juries+televote, no matter of country benefit from both, it is more diverse and exciting, every year results are quite different.

 

[Alaska49]

or NORDIC COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY BLOCK VOTE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE BUT CONVENIENTLY THE WESTERN POSTERS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ugh sorry got possessed by an angry faerie again

 

[lolita]

Where are the major voting blocs?
While the exact parameters of voting blocs can vary slightly from study to study, the main ones are:

The Balkans – the countries of former Yugoslavia, as well as Romania and Albania.
The former Soviet Union and its satellite states in Eastern Europe
Scandinavia – This includes the main Nordic nations as well as Iceland, Lithuania Denmark and Latvia. Would ABBA have been quite so successful if they couldn’t rely on points from Finland and Norway?


Source:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/guide-political-voting-votes-eurovision/

So, not only to blame for.

 

[Realest]

or NORDIC COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY BLOCK VOTE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE

You apparently watched an other Contest than me.

Denmark got 0 Points from all 4 Neighbours last year.
Norway 2004 got 3 Points from Sweden and 0 from all other Neighbours.
Finland 2013 got 2 Points from Denmark and 0 from all other Neighbours.
Sweden 2018 got only 14 Points from the Neighbours etc..

This is an objective Proof that there is no unfair highpolitical Votingblock and that every Nordic Country must fight hard for their Points from the Neighbours. But Serbia always has guaranteed 55 Points in the Final and Russia even more (probably 70-80) nomatter what the Song is... Even last year in the Semi Serbia got 10-12 Points from HR/CH/MK although the Singer is neither a regional Superstar nor she sung a song which reflects common Musicculture nor she was a Topfavourite. The Same can be said about Russia 2004/05/10/14/18 etc...

 

[Alaska49]

nordics still do block voting, they double it down with jury block voting a lot. more often than balkans and soviets, and most importantly are not marked down by juries outside their block like soviets and specially balkans are to "counteract" their televote blocks. they are the biggest beneficiaries od blocks nowadays, which is fine by ME because i don't whine about blocks in every thread, but it's also fine by people who make a living out of saying eastern countries don't deserve the points they get and that's hypocritical and a thin veil for prejudice. you can't change my mind.

 

[Realest]

Blockvoting means giving each other Guaranteed Points independent from the Song every single year and I just proved that the Nordic Block died and that the nordic Countries became neutral each other.

The Ex-Yugos have never in the History given a 0 in the TV to each other. Yet the Yugoblock is only extremely unfair when it comes to Serbia who always have guaranteed 10-12 Points nomatter what the Song is. And the Only Times when Serbia got "only" a 10 from SL or BA f.e. is when HR got the 12. So Serbia can never lose a yugoslavian TV against a Non-Yugo. The other Yugos at least dont give each other blind 10-12s.

The EX-UdssR Block also died a bit. UA, BY, AZ and AM proved last year that they can give each other 0 Points (AM and AZ either way) because of their weak Songs. The Only Problem here as well is Russia who always have guaranteed 10 from AM in the TV, guaranteed 8 from BY/AZ/MD + several guaranteed Points from LT/LV/EE/GE/UA etc.. that Russia never can not get even with weak Entries like 2004,05 etc..

I dont complain about Blockvoting in General, I only complain about the unfair geopolitical Situation of Russia and Serbia.

 

[lolita]

Blockvoting means giving each other Guaranteed Points independent from the Song every single year and I just proved that the Nordic Block died and that the nordic Countries became neutral each other.

The Ex-Yugos have never in the History given a 0 in the TV to each other. Yet the Yugoblock is only extremely unfair when it comes to Serbia who always have guaranteed 10-12 Points nomatter what the Song is. And the Only Times when Serbia got "only" a 10 from SL or BA f.e. is when HR got the 12. So Serbia can never lose a yugoslavian TV against a Non-Yugo. The other Yugos at least dont give each other blind 10-12s.

The EX-UdssR Block also died a bit. UA, BY, AZ and AM proved last year that they can give each other 0 Points (AM and AZ either way) because of their weak Songs. The Only Problem here as well is Russia who always have guaranteed 10 from AM in the TV, guaranteed 8 from BY/AZ/MD + several guaranteed Points from LT/LV/EE/GE/UA etc.. that Russia never can not get even with weak Entries like 2004,05 etc..

I dont complain about Blockvoting in General, I only complain about the unfair geopolitical Situation of Russia and Serbia.

Maybe it looks unfair, but it is something we can't change even if we want to do it, when it comes to televoting.

 

[Realest]

Maybe it looks unfair, but it is something we can't change even if we want to do it, when it comes to televoting.

Yes, I know its not to change unfortunately. Btw. I dont wanna hate on your Country, I hope you dont understand me wrong.

 

[lolita]

Yes, I know its not to change unfortunately. Btw. I dont wanna hate on your Country, I hope you dont understand me wrong.

Of course, I know, I understand you right. It is truth, how our blockvoting functions, I don't like it, too, whether it is about my country or any other.

 

[Pawhlen]

sanja getting almost all of her points, INCLUDING JURY, from alliances 33333 hilarious

getting the maximum televote possible from her block lifted sanja from her 23rd placement in averages to........18th. so excuse me if i am not clamoring for the immediate end of block voting lol. even if it was 100% televote, she would be 11th instead of 21st (her average), which, while a big difference, took the absolute most extreme case of block voting and still didn't even break top 10.

I find it extreme hilarious that you are using the argument that block voting is not a problem if the country don´t get into top 10, I just tried to say that the televoting contains equal amount of problems like in the jury and it all comes down to that people argumenting about it using their own taste as base. Some years, the juries are voting very neighbour friendly like last year, and some years the televoting are very neighbour friendly (like this year)

 

[Alaska49]

no, my argument is that block voting is not enough to get countries anywhere near the vicinity of winning, because by itself it can't even get a country in the top 10, and is therefore irrelevant. if we still had top 10 as automatic qualifiers for the final, it would be a bit more relevant (but still not that much), but since we don't... like, obviously we As Fans want our favourites to do as well as possible, and entries that place high do sometimes influence entry selection later, but pragmatically there is no difference between eleni at 2nd place and ari at semifinal last place. the consequences for them are the same. therefore, block voting absolutely isn't an issue that affects the contest majorly.

(ps: i omitted the question of semifinal qualification, in which block voting is a bit relevant, but still not enough to be an issue nowadays, even if we went 100% televote. really only serbia would benefit i think? which would get us to the question of why serbia doesn't deserve to qualify even if they got alliance points, but i digress)

 

[Chorizo]

It's not just about winning. It's also about qualifying for the grand final and getting a fair result. The diaspora vote and political block voting remain a problem and the rules should be changed to address that. Giving points to more countries, as suggested by Realest, would already help a lot.

 

[Pawhlen]

It's not just about winning. It's also about qualifying for the grand final and getting a fair result. The diaspora vote and political block voting remain a problem and the rules should be changed to address that. Giving points to more countries, as suggested by Realest, would already help a lot.

Even though it´s very much tradition in the actual point system used since 1975, I have to agree with both you and Realest, if we really want to neutralize the block/diaspora vote than a new point system that awards more than 10 countries needs to be used

 

[Realest]

Traditions are there to be broken.

 

[Preuss]

When voting, the juries are asked to focus on these four areas:

1. Vocal capacity of the artist(s)
2. The performance on stage
3. The composition and originality of the song
4. The overall impression of the act

There is nothing in the criteria about radio friendliness

I really wonder how much the vocal capacity of the performer really has to say in the jury criteria...?