Juries hate etno? Eurovision turning into just another Idol

[A-lister]

Etno is partly the soul of Eurovision, without it it would be "just another American Idol-ish contest".

I warned already last year that the juries would kill everything traditional, cultural etc. and they started last year.

We had brilliant "etno inspired" songs last year, very little help from juries.

Now Slovakia (the best of all this year), Finland and Poland are already out.

Instead we've got the juries helping yet another screaming ballad (Portugal), which has NOTHING to do with Portuguese or European music cultrue to do what so ever...

Officially the Eurovision I learned to love is dead. Next year there will be maximum two etno songs. Now it will be "just another music show".

Obviously the juries doesn't share my thought about Eurovision being about EUROPE and EUROPEAN cultures and languages.

R.I.P. EUROVISION SONG CONTEST

next year change name to European Idol instead.

 

[ithanspain]

Re: Juries hate etno?

The problem with Slovakia it's that the performance was not good, so static and a bit boring. The lighting was so dark and the camera work awful.
When rehearsal started, it becomed a sure flop.

Finland, first I didn't like it but the performance was really, really good. I can't understand why ¿Russia? is in the Final and not Finland.

Poland, not a good song. And the performance...with this girls with apples in their mouths :shock:

 

[A-lister]

Re: Juries hate etno?

The problem with Slovakia it's that the performance was not good, so static and a bit boring. The lighting was so dark and the camera work awful.
When rehearsal started, it becomed a sure flop.

Finland, first I didn't like it but the performance was really, really good. I can't understand why ¿Russia? is in the Final and not Finland.

Poland, not a good song. And the performance...with this girls with apples in their mouths :shock:

But Portugal? *omg*... it's just wailing and nothing else... totally souless and totally uneuropean.

And Bosnia can thank their diaspora - no other comment about that.

If juries can't stop diaspora voting and vote for American Idol-ish ballads then there's no point with them.

I don't want an Idol copy, I want Eurovision.

 

[dogmeat]

I agree. We'll see later how did the jury vote, but if they did as I suppose, it means my cat has better taste than "wannabe proffesionals"

 

[A-lister]

I agree. We'll see later how did the jury vote, but if they did as I suppose, it means my cat has better taste than "wannabe proffesionals"

Totally agree.

And what's the point with EUROvision if we have a jury that wants to take away every country's soul and just turn it to another type of American Idol wannabe show?

 

[94ayd]

Again, they did support Moldova last year more than the people in front of the TV... I want to see results, otherwise I cannot be sure.

PS Why do you blame Portugal and not Russia/Belarus/Belgium. At least you mentioned Bosnia.

 

[Matt]

The way A-lister feels about jury I felt about televoting in the past. So there are always two sides to coin. And pointing fingers is just a very easy and convenient. I quite enjoy reading about the "blame game".

I support juries 110%

 

[Sim]

we will saturday,

maybe the televoters vote slovakia out, you never know

 

[ParadiseES]

I think both suck
Televoting are tasteless and block-voters and juries are snob and don't reflect people's taste :roll:

 

[FallenAngelII]

How do you know that the juries didn't vote for these entries? Are you psychic? Maybe it was the televoters which decided not to vote for them

Slovakia: She had weak live vocals. She hadn't improved one bit from the national final. The song is pretty repetitive. It has no real chorus and just repeats. Actually, she repeats the same lyrics as well. It's a loop of 60 seconds worth of lyrics. I can see a lot of Western viewers not really digging her and shunning her. When I saw her live, I knew at once she wouldn't make it (despite liking the song personally) and I knew it wouldn't be such a scandal.
Finland: Do you reallyt think the televoters voted for this? As the Swedish commentators said: This is 100% genuinely Finnish. As in it's so Finnish only Fins can understand it. Finnish folk music sung in Finnish using Finnish instruments, Finnish lyrics and Finnish mannerisms. Yah... no.
Poland: From what I can tell, this is barely etno. It certainly isn't etno when he is singing (vast majority of the song). The random and strange stage show involving apples might've befuddled a lot of viewers.

Just because it's etno doesn't mean it automatically deserves or should be in the final.

The fact of the matter is that if a song is rejected by the televoting public, the juries cannot save it unless the juries award those song top marks (8-12) because the final points will be decided by combining the jury votes and the televotes. So unless the jury gives a song really high marks, chances are the televotes will combine with other entries the juries gave marks to to make them end up with more points than the songs in question that you are so desperate to have pass to the final.

To Summarize: This is also something that has to happen with many juries. To pass to the final, a song needs lots of points from lots of countries. And if the televoting public shuns it, it also generally needs really high marks (6 at the lowest) from the jury to make it! Also, these etno entries were hardly the top of the crop.

Again, they did support Moldova last year more than the people in front of the TV... I want to see results, otherwise I cannot be sure.

PS Why do you blame Portugal and not Russia/Belarus/Belgium. At least you mentioned Bosnia.

Because Portugal is the entries most likely to have been "saved" by the juries this year. Belgium and Belarus I can see making it to the final on their own (Belarus has never been a country to rely on neighbour voting seeing as how they usually get relatively little of those and Belarus' entry is hardly an entry which usually garners tons of jury points. The juries and televoters just liked it whereas Belgium had a crowd-pleasing entry which I can totally see the televoters eat up (did you hear the audience in the Telenor Arena before, during and after Tom Dice's performance and also when he received a "Golden Ticket" to the final? They went nuts)). Russia... Russia is... weird. Possibly a Slavic jury save since maybe they knew beforehand that it was a humorous entry and judged it as such.

 

[alca]

Finland: Do you really think the televoters voted for this? As the Swedish commentators said: This is 100% genuinely Finnish. As in it's so Finnish only Fins can understand it. Finnish folk music sung in Finnish using Finnish instruments, Finnish lyrics and Finnish mannerisms. Yah... no.

I am not finnish but I adore Finland's song! For me it's the best song they ever sent! Even if the lyrics say that it's fun to work and bla bla bla...It's so cheerful! It makes you SMILE!
Finland...

 

[aletem]

I also don't think this is too Finnish, as it has some gypsy/romale elements in the song that are quite familiar, especially to Eastern Europeans. I also loved that entry, I tried to sing along with the song once it started.
It had quality, it had energy, it had performance, and overall it was superb. The things that I had slight critiques on it were fixed. Anyway, I don't know why it didn't pass.
Personally, I strongly believe that Portugal turned out to be the worst of the night. Nothing can change my mind here. That woman is unappealing and has a horrible voice. :x The overall choreography looked like Csezy's from Hungary 2008 (she got only 2 points back then, but she had a great song and a great voice). The Portuguese girl was screaming half of the time and the other half, well I don't know what the hell was she doing. And the song was really bad. All in all the whole concept was a disaster and yet it qualified. :roll:

 

[FallenAngelII]

No one is saying that the Finnish entry was by any means bad. I'm just saying that it was too niche, too localized. Sure, it probably has a few fans here and there and it's this year's Portugal 2008, but I highly doubt the televoting public embraced it, even if it had a few elements familiar to Eastern Europeans.

It was just too niche for its own good.

 

[aletem]

No one is saying that the Finnish entry was by any means bad. I'm just saying that it was too niche, too localized. Sure, it probably has a few fans here and there and it's this year's Portugal 2008, but I highly doubt the televoting public embraced it, even if it had a few elements familiar to Eastern Europeans.

It was just too niche for its own good.

I know what you said and you are right. I predicted that this song won't qualify just because of that. I was hoping that my prediction will be wrong and that the great performance could change the viewers' opinion.

 

[manialf]

This is so funny. It's always the system right ?

When your favourite doesn't make it to the final, it's not because the performance was bad or the rest of Europe didn't get it,, Nooooo It's the bad bad system.

And BTW Portugal is singing in their own language, that's more cultural than Albania, Bosnia e.t.c

And what exactly are Serbia and Greece to you? Americanized??? Get over it and enjoy the show. It's just Eurovision for Christ's sake!

 

[A-lister]

The juries seem to only care for "big voices"... so 3 minutes of PAIN (Portugal) is for them "sweet music" just because she could wail for 3 minutes.

I thought this contest was primary about THE SONGS and not who could show-off their voices the most in 3 minutes.

 

[A-lister]

And what exactly are Serbia and Greece to you? Americanized??? Get over it and enjoy the show. It's just Eurovision for Christ's sake!

Greece and Serbia has diaspora though while Slovakia had nothing.

Just proves this contest is ALL about politics and the juries are just as evil.

 

[FallenAngelII]

And what exactly are Serbia and Greece to you? Americanized??? Get over it and enjoy the show. It's just Eurovision for Christ's sake!

Greece and Serbia has diaspora though while Slovakia had nothing.

Just proves this contest is ALL about politics and the juries are just as evil.

Again I ask: Where's your proof that the juries specifically shunned these entries whilst the televoters wanted them? And why are they "evil" for not voting for your favourite entries? Maybe they just weren't that good.

If Greece and Serbia are so evil and only get points because of diaspora, how come Greece routinely fail when they send bad entries and Serbia didn't qualify for the final last year? Gee, what happened to that magical diaspora and biased juries in 2009 when Greece didn't get Top 3 or even Top 5 and Serbia didn't even qualify for the final? Did the diaspora suddenly forget to vote? Did the juries forget to be evil?

Kristina was nervous and it shone through in her performance and her vocals were overall pretty weak.

Get off your cross. She just dropped the ball when push came to shove because she is young, inexperienced and was nervous.

 

[Matt]

And what exactly are Serbia and Greece to you? Americanized??? Get over it and enjoy the show. It's just Eurovision for Christ's sake!

Greece and Serbia has diaspora though while Slovakia had nothing.

Just proves this contest is ALL about politics and the juries are just as evil.

Again I ask: Where's your proof that the juries specifically shunned these entries whilst the televoters wanted them? And why are they "evil" for not voting for your favourite entries? Maybe they just weren't that good.

Kristina was nervous and it shone through in her performance and her vocals were overall pretty weak.

xyeah

 

[Deltage]

First of all, I really liked Portugal and I don't usually like ballads.

But with Greece, I think they had a perfect mix of a folk song and an electronic/pop song that was also catchy and obviously appealed to people. I don't know about juries, but since the average viewer probably votes for only one or maybe few favorites, a song like Greece had has a much bigger chance of getting those votes than something so specific as Finland. Estonia had a etno-inspired song once too (that most people probably don't remember) that was sort of similar to the Finnish entry but more modern, and that was stuck in the semi too.