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Italy ITALY 2022 - Mahmood and Blanco - Brividi
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Makes sense, but I'm a bit sad about it. The cut out portion is my favorite part of the chorus.For the Eurovision edit, M&B had to shorten the final chorus:
🇮🇹 Italy: Final Chorus Of "Brividi" Shortened to Meet 3 Minute Rule - Eurovoix
With the reveal of the lyrics for "Brividi" in Turin, the part of the song that has been dropped has been revealed.eurovoix.com
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This is to me very 
2011 .. it's nice but there are also no real peaks or valleys. Ofcourse, as 2011 won then so can this song...
2011 .. it's nice but there are also no real peaks or valleys. Ofcourse, as 2011 won then so can this song...
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So Mahmood&Blanco aren't going to any ESC pre party?
Are they the only one?
Are they the only one?
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BLANCO CANTA BRIVIDI LIVE - BLU CELESTE TOUR (4 aprile 2022)
BLANCO CANTA BRIVIDI LIVE - durante la prima tappa del BLU CELESTE TOUR (4 aprile 2022) a Padova. CANALE TELEGRAM: https://t.me/canaleblanchitovmahmood- Iscr...
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I would have loved to see Ana Mena win San Remo but what can you do...
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It's actually pretty good this way, I don't feel like it was badly chopped as they did with Occidentali's Karma
While I have no doubt that Brividi will bring them a better result, the past few days I've been listening to Ciao Ciao non stop and even if it would do worse, it would be at least something different than one more slow song in this year's competition. It would have also been my winner by far but ok.
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At the time Mahmood and Blanco together with Andrea from North Macedonia were the only ones to have focused on ballads. No one would have ever imagined that the Eurovision Song Contest 2022 would be invaded by ballads and all of quality. Therefore, after the explosion caused by "Zitti e Buoni", Italy would have chosen to focus less on a captivating sound and more on a sweet and exciting sound. "Ciao Ciao" if it had participated in ESC 2022 it would have been buried by many other catchy songs: First of all by... France, Norway, Ukraine, Albania and Spain! "Ciao Ciao" could have become just a guilty pleasure. Italy cannot afford to bring this kind of songs if they are unable to withstand the European shock force. We do not have favorable blocking votes, we do not have favorable jury votes and we have many enemies in the bubble who every year, with tireless strategy, hinder us, hate us and consider us overrated. And the general public? The public only ever votes for what they like. Even if Italy is considered strong and loved, this is not enough to shift the balance. Too much, really too risky. We would have risked finishing sixteenth or twentieth and probably with the risk of finishing last in the Big Five. The Eurovision Song Contest is also strategy and you have to play your cards right. With Mahmood and Blanco, if the staging is well organized and the performance is magical, the minimum Top 10 result could be achieved.
okay but what about.. hear me out.. sending a song that is something different than usual, fun, something enjoyable to listen to without thinking of it being strategic to end up in the top 10 or not
(a concept)
Now I know that Brividi is liked by the public as well so it's cool but I just cringe at this plea for stategy in Eurovision about playing your cards right
Italy just won relax!!! risking finishing sixteenth isn't going to kill you
(a concept)
Now I know that Brividi is liked by the public as well so it's cool but I just cringe at this plea for stategy in Eurovision about playing your cards right
Italy just won relax!!! risking finishing sixteenth isn't going to kill you
Well when I hear Ciao Ciao in alternative tops or NF favourites videos, it stands out a lot to me and has a more unique sound. The only entry this year that I can think that resembles it a little bit is maybe Slovenia? Its happy, kinda funky sound is missing this year imo. France, Ukraine and Albania that were mentioned are more dramatic and ethnic and Spain and Norway are more polished. On the other hand, though take into account that it is a song I don't like, Brividi doesn't stand out at all to me and while it has some unique elements, it is quite close to songs like Greece and Netherlands and the presence of many slow songs doesn't really help the situation.
I understand that Brividi will do better result wise and since this was the choice of the Italian public I respect it, but I think part of Italy's success in Eurovision is that they choose their entry from a non ESC related event, meaning that they choose their favourite song without Eurovision results in mind. If the country changes attitude and starts picking the safest choice just so that it will get a guaranteed top 10, it will end up like another "Sweden" and their entries will lose their authenticity.
You can't risk it? There is absolutely zero risk for Italy, they are allready qualified and can comfortably watch the semis from their allready guaranteed spot in the final. Risk schmisk...
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Generally I would agree with you but "having no strategies" and "living peacefully" are only part of an unattainable utopia. We have to be realistic. Most bubble fans and nations don't live the Eurovision Song Contest with these "lofty ideals". For nations, winning means attracting the lights on themselves, tourism and investments (it is no longer the ESC of the past or the early 2000s) while for fans the Eurovision season becomes a crusade where they dream of seeing their own nations win or favorite ones and see others fail in a miserable way. If this were not the case, we will not see jury votes that always reward the same nations to the detriment of others, the voting blocks and the continuous offenses that can be read in the Eurovision fandom.
I will tell you how I approached Eurovision. I heard about the existence of ESC in 2013 but I only started following it in 2017. To every singer, even the one who wasn't the best I said "Wow that's cool!" and when my mother saw me excited I would reply "These singers are all monsters! They are the champions of every nation!". I still remember when I was happy after seeing Mikolas Josef's performance. Then... I got to know the block votes, the jury and the angry fans... I saw politics, extreme desire to win, offenses that led me to be disappointed. I became realistic, cold, calculating and judged music more as a music critic than with my heart.
As for strategy, when you play, you don't do it with the sole intention of participating. We know it's an excuse for losers but to get the most out of it. Italy is hated by some bubble fans for this very reason. Where other nations usually follow a path of ups and downs, Italy is constant in its results. Italy is often hated also because it has also always hindered the concept of linguistic uniformity, it has never loved catchy songs to make bubble fans happy who want to have a laugh at a grotesque performance and has never loved industrial music built in the same way (following the pro-US fashion) and full of fireworks. However, many do not realize that Italy has pushed other nations (especially the hated Big Five) to believe in the ESC and to be more competitive. We have seen the flourishing of national languages and the quality has improved. The other nations did not want to be less than Italy and the Eurovision motto "Italy has been stolen again" was starting to be annoying.
"Brividi", even if in my opinion less strong than "Fai Rumore" and "Zitti e Buoni", is the best choice. It's a handcrafted, original song and a perfect product for music festivals. Many fans are saddened by this and some have begun to show signs of extreme hatred. A few days ago Fluke compared Italy to Russia and was hoping for our expulsion from the ESC because we had not yet shown the cut version of our song haha... I call this fear and these behaviors, not uncommon, make me think that speaking of simplicity is only "Preaching good and scratching badly".
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I respect your opinion. In part I agree with it. Italy, however, even if it chooses the best songs to get the best result, has never lost its authenticity (perhaps only with Michielin and Emma Marrone we winked at the fans). We have always brought new musical genres, always in Italian and with settings that are anything but prebuild. The reason is not that Italians are better than others but it is determined by the existence of the Sanremo Festival. The singers who participate in our festival do so because they want to win our festival and not to enter the ESC. This is good because each song (which I want to remind you that it has already won a preselection) has more general quality and an Italian identity since it was created mainly for the Italian public. Mahmood and Blanco's song may not like it but it's a perfect song festival product. Don't worry though, because the jury won't be enchanted. If the song of the legendary monster MetaMoroFebo failed to enter the heart of the jury, neither will Mahmood and Blanco. If in the year of the Måneskin we were fourth in the jury preferences, I expect all kinds of surprises
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Interesting point of view. However, you don't take some things into consideration:
1) Being in the final is good but also bad. The Big Five can only count one performance. This helps less to get their entries into the hearts of the public.
2) Any nation not belonging to the Big Five does not have good feelings for them. Result? Fewer votes from the jury and the public of those nations. So, if a song is not of a good level, the Big Five easily risk 0 points. Do you want an example? Germany, Spain and UK 0 points in 2021.
3) The Big Five cannot enjoy their privileged position as compared to other nations they cannot vote for both semi-finals.
Do you still want to be part of the Big Five?
1) Don't think this is true, especially not since they get introduced in the semis nowadays.Interesting point of view. However, you don't take some things into consideration:
1) Being in the final is good but also bad. The Big Five can only count one performance. This helps less to get their entries into the hearts of the public.
2) Any nation not belonging to the Big Five does not have good feelings for them. Result? Fewer votes from the jury and the public of those nations. So, if a song is not of a good level, the Big Five easily risk 0 points. Do you want an example? Germany, Spain and UK 0 points in 2021.
3) The Big Five cannot enjoy their privileged position as compared to other nations they cannot vote for both semi-finals.
Do you still want to be part of the Big Five?
2) Really don't think this is true. The reason that Germany, Spain and the UK failed misserably in 2021 was because their songs wasn't in any countries top 10 and rightfully so. Other countries send meh songs aswell ofc from time to time but the difference beeing that if they do they wount qualify. But when a Big 5 country sends a meh song they end up last instead of not qualifying.
3) I don't vote either but I still enjoy the semis. I don't feel like those two things are mutually exclusive.
No I do not want to be a part of the Big 5. I don't think there should be a Big 5 in a competition. Imagine if Brazil, Germany, Italy, France and Argentina didn't have to play the group stage of the football world cup and instead was pre-qualified for the playoffs directly. That wouldn't be fair either.