Italy ITALY 2020 - Diodato - Fai rumore

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[SwedishFailurez]

I think that he convinced most of the journalists and music critics which are so so used to the Italian music being awarded by them with Mia Martini price.
There hasn't been any single controversy about his win.
Lanfranchi, a critic of Corriere della Sera, wrote a long article about Diodato s win.
Basicly the beaty and sincerity of the song, returning to the origins with a ballad, the humble character of the singer which has worked hard to achieve finally some results, his classic voice are the reason of his success.

Yes indeed, I believe this is the fundamental reason why this did so well. Diodato himself is the selling point of Fai Rumore, there is an appeal for a great voice delivering something more ordinary. But the song itself does not top what has been done before and most will still prefer the classics over this one.
If he won because of the Mahmood-controversy I don't know, but there could be yearning for something "classical" in Sanremo or like that.
I think you have more knowledge about this topic/context. You probably have a better idea of what's going on in Sanremo.
I'm just writing this from the perspective of a Swedish foreigner being a Eurovision-fan.

 

[nudiecrudi]

Yes indeed, I believe this is the fundamental reason why this did so well. Diodato himself is the selling point of Fai Rumore, there is an appeal for a great voice delivering something more ordinary. But the song itself does not top what has been done before and most will still prefer the classics over this one.
If he won because of the Mahmood-controversy I don't know, but there could be yearning for something "classical" in Sanremo or like that.
I think you have more knowledge about this topic/context. You probably have a better idea of what's going on in Sanremo.
I'm just writing this from the perspective of a Swedish foreigner being a Eurovision-fan.

Mahmood controversy was done by some politics but that is over.
This year some drama but nothing related to the winner or ranking.
Consider that the sanremese audience is completely different and indifferent to ESC. In 5 nights only few words were dedicated to Esc.
According to most of people here Elodie should have won and selected for ESC. But the audience, the press and demoscopic jury weren't keen to her entry. And this not because of Mahmood controversy but simply they didn't consider her as a winner. Not even runner up or third.
Diodato won because he liked mostly to all the juries.
Duncan last year didn't win with juries or televote but he won the entire thing.

 

[goldmayor]

Honestly, I hate that it's normalized to claim a country "is overrated" and that such assertion is justified with freedom of speech. It is actually a rather toxic statement that make people (me, in this case) feel bad, since it targets an entire nation and high-key argues that it doesn't deserve its success (why would people at some point randomly start to overrate us based on "our flag"? What kind of positive prejudice should give us such advantage?). Not to mention it has no concrete foundation in this very specific circumstance: at most, we can define "overvaluation" in ESC as something that happens when the final results do not reflect the initial expectations. But Italy has been doing pretty well in the last few years. I read someone bringing "diaspora" as a possibile partial reason of our popularity when it comes to televoting. But in reality we did receve a small amount of televote points when our entry/final performance turned out to be weak or didn't appeal the public (e.g. 34 points in 2016, almost no points in 2014, 11th in 2011 ect). And sincerely I didn't know some sort of Italian mass emigration started to take place three years ago, when we began to consistently reach the top 10 in the televote.

This is not that different from those situations where whole bunches of annoying Italians rant about "being robbed" every single year, when actually the overall results are a combination of jury and televote rankings, which we submitted to when we first joined the competition.

I also truly hope that everyone here is aware that any "prediction" made 4 months away from the Grand Final and based on only six songs remains just mere speculation. I'm not going to lie, I'm new to this fandom as this is just my second season as a eurofan, but last year was enough for me to understand that everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I mean, more than half of the assumptions that were still standing the day before the Grand Final last year were proved wrong in the end.

As for Fai Rumore, well if we consider Sanremo as an indipendent festival it was my third favourite, but I agree with who wouldn't have put it as their first option for ESC. I love the song (especially the chorus), Diodato's voice and his humble attitude, but I'm not sure if it can be considered strong in the Eurovision context. Depending on how we will end up this year, I might begin to support the idea of separating the actual Sanremo winner from our ESC representative (which I'd pick from Sanremo anyway). Knowing the discrepancy between Italian locals' taste and ESC priorities, maybe we've just been lucky these last few years regarding our act, maybe not. Time will tell.

 

[Nemo89]

Buonasera a tutti, I read many comments about "Fai rumore" and I thank all those who expressed their ideas with education and those who appreciate our music and our singer, Diodato. However, I don't understand acrimonious comments or phrases like "This song sucks" or "It's 0 for me." That is ... without even knowing all the songs that will take part in Eurovision Song Contest... ESC is a competition where different peoples dream, have fun and talk together, however I only see a great desire to win.
Italy has chosen its representative and for many Italians "Fai rumore" is a song that breaks down the barriers of incommunicability but is also full of nostalgia, bearer of a heartfelt noise, the noise of those who want to make their soul feel in turmoil. By listening to this song several times, we discover that it belongs to us; it has a part that speaks of us. Do you want to know what we Italians thought when we watched the "Sanremo's Festival"? Gabbani's song was the favorite, I Pinguini Tattici Nucleari had conquered the stage with their energy and we were proud of the great musical variety that we possess and we are proud that our artists have not bowed to the wishes of the modern audience and partygoer. This is the "Sanremo's Festival": different styles and as many different ways of interpreting. As if by magic, the notes and words of "Fai rumore" conquered us and the great humility and simplicity of Diodato conquered us. We are also proud to think that if we can afford to leave a good tea at home, artists like Elodie, Rancore, Tosca etc ... this means that the Italian musical movement is strong! And this is our biggest victory. I respect every music festival, every European and non-European artist but I ask you, be honest, which other singing competition can boast so many different styles and qualities? And in fact, in recent years, we have brought, I make a summary, to ESC modern music (Occidentalis Karma), rap music (Soldi), modern lyric music (Grande amore), social messages (Non mi avete fatto niente) and finally a composition that reflects the method of making Italian music (Fai rumore). However "Fai rumore" is a song not as anchored in the past as you say. If many opened your ears well, you would listen that this song is modern even if it winks at the past; is this not nostalgia after all? Do you know when Italy has failed in recent years? When he lost the tradition and wanted to adapt to the ESC: Emma Marrone and Francesca Michielin. I read about the tastes of a few Eurovision fans who claim to give a single yardstick. Was Sobral's song modern? Yet he won. But ... by all accounts the song was poignant and the poor boy was redeeming himself after being heart-sick... I agree with those who wrote that Italians think only of the "Sanremo's Festival". Our festival has five days of programming and is very popular (although many Italians lie saying "Tsk! Sanremo? What a bore! I won't watch it!"). Why, this was the thought of our record companies and artists, engaging in a competition where people do not understand the Italian language? Only recently our musical movement and our people have given proper attention to the ESC. Our musical movement had never thought of winning a song to send it to the ESC, neither our state, nor Rai, in the past was interested in investing in the event. In fact, the last Eurovision done in Italy was bad in the organization. In our past, therefore, songs that didn't deserve often won and the public complained. The wonderful songs? Second, third or worse... I am sad to think that with all our quality we have only won the ESC twice ... Anyway I have never blindly cheered for our artists, I have always cheered for good music. If there is a better song, which manages to arouse more emotions, why should I say otherwise? At the limit I can say, it is not among my favorites. Last year I suffered a lot from seeing John Lundvik off the podium; "Too late for love" is fantastic. I opened my eyes to the joyful sounds of the "Sunstroke project", I appreciated Nathan Trent, I liked Luca Hanni and I could go on ... I thank the ESC for introducing me to these fantastic artists. In recent years, I have listened to many songs and I regret to see France, UK and Spain no longer being able to impose themselves (large countries with a great musical culture) and I realized that, Lundvik aside, Baltic music prefers the sound more modern and the show that the contents of the tracks. I respect this talent in wanting to compose music that is understandable for everyone, but the identity, the soul of things is lost a little ... There is a way to combine the show with an excellent composition, ABBA have managed to great! I still sing "Waterloo" !!! In Eastern Europe I have seen a varied movement of sounds grow (I add ... great Eugent Bushpepa!). We Italians, apart from some stupid, recognize the value, because you have to mistakenly define "Fai rumore" an "old ballad"? I will support Diodato but I say "Win the best!". If we don't win we don't care ... we like beautiful music, we are proud of ourselves and we are happy to meet great European artists. Thanks to cultural exchange, progress is made and there is an incentive to improve. Sorry for the long message but I expressed the thought of an Italian and I let myself be carried away by my passion for music. Ah ... you also forgive my English, if it should be lacking at some point of the speech. Ciao belli!

 

[Miloutchi]

Honestly, I hate that it's normalized to claim a country "is overrated" and that such assertion is justified with freedom of speech. It is actually a rather toxic statement that make people (me, in this case) feel bad, since it targets an entire nation and high-key argues that it doesn't deserve its success (why would people at some point randomly start to overrate us based on "our flag"? What kind of positive prejudice should give us such advantage?). Not to mention it has no concrete foundation in this very specific circumstance: at most, we can define "overvaluation" in ESC as something that happens when the final results do not reflect the initial expectations. But Italy has been doing pretty well in the last few years. I read someone bringing "diaspora" as a possibile partial reason of our popularity when it comes to televoting. But in reality we did receve a small amount of televote points when our entry/final performance turned out to be weak or didn't appeal the public (e.g. 34 points in 2016, almost no points in 2014, 11th in 2011 ect). And sincerely I didn't know some sort of Italian mass emigration started to take place three years ago, when we began to consistently reach the top 10 in the televote.

This is no different from those situations where whole bunches of annoying Italians rant about "being robbed" every single year, when actually the overall results are a combination of jury and televote rankings, which we submitted to when we first joined the competition.

I also truly hope that everyone here is aware that any "prediction" made 4 months away from the Grand Final and based on only six songs remains just mere speculation. I'm not going to lie, I'm new to this fandom as this is just my second season as a eurofan, but last year was enough for me to understand that everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I mean, more than half of the assumptions that were still standing the day before the Grand Final last year were proved wrong in the end.

As for Fai Rumore, well if we consider Sanremo as an indipendent festival it was my third favourite, but I agree with who wouldn't have put it as their first option for ESC. I love the song (especially the chorus), Diodato's voice and his humble attitude, but I'm not sure if it can be considered strong in the Eurovision context. Depending on how we will end up this year, I might begin to support the idea of separating the actual Sanremo winner from our ESC representative (which I'd pick from Sanremo anyway). Knowing the discrepancy between Italian locals' taste and ESC priorities, maybe we've just been lucky in the last few years regarding our act, maybe not. Time will tell.

Well said. I would only like to add that the contest doesn’t have to be about winning the whole thing. Every year about 40 countries compete, so the chances of winning are not very high. Why always pick a song because you think it will do well then? Why not pick a song locals like? It doesn’t matter at all if one year we have a song that appeals to the mass and the other year we have a song that locals like.

 

[Nemo89]

Well said. I would only like to add that the contest doesn’t have to be about winning the whole thing. Every year about 40 countries compete, so the chances of winning are not very high. Why always pick a song because you think it will do well then? Why not pick a song locals like? It doesn’t matter at all if one year we have a song that appeals to the mass and the other year we have a song that locals like.

I fully agree with what you wrote. Why poison the blood for a 1/40 chance of victory? We of the "Big Five" are luckier than the rest of Europe... I as an Italian would abolish this rule. Competition must be the same for everyone. Anyway ... we have to enjoy good music and, if by chance we meet in Rotterdam or on a forum of fans, have fun together

 

[Iker]

I find the song mildly irritating, not my cup of tea.

 

[Nemo89]

I find the song mildly irritating, not my cup of tea.

I respect your opinion and I don't ask you to change it. If our song is irritating, isn't it better for the other participants?

 

[sucof]

Diodato confirmed that he will sing the song in Italian

 

[Mimmon]

Diodato confirmed that he will sing the song in Italian

I really wonder if they would do go with English...

 

[Mrm]

@Nemo89

Welcome!

 

[Nemo89]

@Mrm

Nice to meet you It's very nice to be part to this ESC fan forum

 

[Geborgenheit]

I have watched all Sanremo songs. There were better songs in my opinion, but if Italians are crazy about that song, good luck. It will be interesting to see if it will reach Top 10 and how many televoters will like it.

 

[ESC94]

I have watched all Sanremo songs. There were better songs in my opinion, but if Italians are crazy about that song, good luck. It will be interesting to see if it will reach Top 10 and how many televoters will like it.

Well, there are always people who like more "classic" songs, otherwise 2015 and 2017 wouldn´t have won the televote.

 

[nudiecrudi]

Well, there are always people who like more "classic" songs, otherwise 2015 and 2017 wouldn´t have won the televote.

I would add also Rise like a Fenix or Bearyful mess Undo ect. All very classic ballads. But until all of them are sung in English it is OK.
In Italian they are immediately notified as the same tipicall intalian ballads.

 

[ESC94]

I would add also Rise like a Fenix or Bearyful mess Undo ect. All very classic ballads. But until all of them are sung in English it is OK.
In Italian they are immediately notified as the same tipicall intalian ballads.

Well, I like this Italian music, so I´m fine.

 

[Mrm]

@nudiecrudi

Italy won televoting with Il Volo... Televoting would prefer some kitsch in Italian lie "Grande amore" to smth like this...

 

[nudiecrudi]

@nudiecrudi

Italy won televoting with Il Volo... Televoting would prefer some kitsch in Italian lie "Grande amore" to smth like this...

You think Grande amore was kitch???
Really surprised.
Usually kitch is used for an object or a style overloaded with apparently non combined colors forms or meanings.
I would call Toy a kitch entry, in a good way, where everything was overloaded but functional

 

[Kaz]

I do think this has the potential to really surprise in Rotterdam! Fai Rumore has this irresistable nostalgic charm, particularly in the instrumental part just before the final chorus. If Diodato can replicate his live performance & vocals from San Remo, I really think Italy can score another top 10. Just look at 2011 for reference.

 

[sucof]

I don't understand why Eurovision never immediately uploads the official Italian video despite the confirmation of Diodato and his song for days.
Last year with Mahmood they spent whole weeks before they posted the video on their channel despite the confirmation of the participation.