Human rights and hosting the Eurovision.

[Qele_Armenia]

Armenians should be able to go there with '' Long-live Armenia '' t-shirts, and wave their flags. Or another nation should be able to do it.

just imagine what would happen then.Azeri would blame Armenians for ''provoking" them .many
Armenians would like to go to support their favourites.if they would like to walk about Baku wearing t-shirts u mentioned or carrying Armenian flags,speaking in Armenian...

 

[Galandar]

just imagine what would happen then.Azeri would blame Armenians for ''provoking" them .many
Armenians would like to go to support their favourites.if they would like to walk about Baku wearing t-shirts u mentioned or carrying Armenian flags,speaking in Armenian...

Every person tries to bring his country to the top so of course in case they take part in the contest in Baku they could do the same way other perople try to promote their countries and in my opinion we Azerbaijanies should not blame them for being proud of their country during the song contest. At the same time there is one BUT! They do not have to bring anything mentioning Nagorno-Karabakh cause this would be treated as a pure and unacceptable provocation.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I think u shouldn't be worried for Armenia, if they decide to go to Baku, they won't be discriminated for sure. Azerbaijan will be a good host and I believe Armenia would be treated fairly, but anyway..I think Armenia will find excuse not to go.

I hear what you're saying but the problem for me (correct me somebody if I wrong though) is that there is a specific law in Azerbaijan banning the entry of Armenian nationals.
I dont know anything about the conflict and I dont support either side but every Eurovision participant must be able to take part and not feel under pressure to withdraw.

 

[Interrail]

What?? Is there really such low in Azerbaijan or u assume? I didn't hear about it, but if its true I find it totally unacceptable and if I was EBU I'd kindly ask them to abolish this low, not just during the ESC, but preferably forever.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

What?? Is there really such low in Azerbaijan or u assume? I didn't hear about it, but if its true I find it totally unacceptable and if I was EBU I'd kindly ask them to abolish this low, not just during the ESC, but preferably forever.

Well it is from Wikipedia so dont take my word for it! But this is what it says:
"The contest will be hosted by Azerbajian after their win in 2011, and it is unknown whether Armenia will be allowed to participate since Azerbaijan bans the entry of Armenians to its territories due to their conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armeni...ion_Song_Contest#Eurovision_Song_Contest_2012

 

[Galandar]

What?? Is there really such low in Azerbaijan or u assume? I didn't hear about it, but if its true I find it totally unacceptable and if I was EBU I'd kindly ask them to abolish this low, not just during the ESC, but preferably forever.

There is no any law preventing Armenian nationals to enter Azerbaijan. In fact, there are some unwritten preventive actions against Armenian national in visiting Azerbaijan since two countries have no diplomatic and economic relations at all. At the same time, the visit of Armenian delegation to Azerbaijan is possible within the song contest the same way official delegations of Armenia visit Azerbaijan for international conferences and sport events.

 

[JackBauer]

Let's try to make a difference between countries's people govrnement and countries's people.


It's the government that most of the time provides gay discrimination, lack of freedom of speech etc.

I'm saying this in general, but when i heard comment like 'people do what they want in their country and they shoudln't judge their way of living' i have to disagree because i think a government should protect every citizen, the straight, the gays, the religious people, the one who aren't, the women, the men.

The government should be the protector of every community of any kinds of it's country, not the persecutor

I'm not a religious person but everytime i visit a church, a Boudhist temple or a mosque i take off my hat or my shoes.This is respect towards religious people.


Myself i'not a fan at all of gay pride, of eating someone face in public, gay or straight kissing but i think government and police should help & protect gay association and tolerate private bar everywhere.

And once again let's keep in mind that if i have a problem with freedom of speech and gay discrimination in any country, my problem if with the government, not the people.

I'm sure Azerbaijan's people are friendly and that Baku will be a great host!


And anyway any improvement in the country's policy on those questions because of eurovision and the winners will mostly be Azerbaijan's people, which i suspect want them to improve too

 

[Matt]

Let's try to make a difference between countries's people govrnement and countries's people.


It's the government that most of the time provides gay discrimination, lack of freedom of speech etc.

I'm saying this in general, but when i heard comment like 'people do what they want in their country and they shoudln't judge their way of living' i have to disagree because i think a government should protect every citizen, the straight, the gays, the religious people, the one who aren't, the women, the men.

The government should be the protector of every community of any kinds of it's country, not the persecutor

I'm not a religious person but everytime i visit a church, a Boudhist temple or a mosque i take off my hat or my shoes.This is respect towards religious people.


Myself i'not a fan at all of gay pride, of eating someone face in public, gay or straight kissing but i think government and police should help & protect gay association and tolerate private bar everywhere.

And once again let's keep in mind that if i have a problem with freedom of speech and gay discrimination in any country, my problem if with the government, not the people.

I'm sure Azerbaijan's people are friendly and that Baku will be a great host!


And anyway any improvement in the country's policy on those questions because of eurovision and the winners will mostly be Azerbaijan's people, which i suspect want them to improve too

Fantastic post, I couldn't agree more!

 

[AlekS]

I'm saying this in general, but when i heard comment like 'people do what they want in their country and they shoudln't judge their way of living' i have to disagree because i think a government should protect every citizen, the straight, the gays, the religious people, the one who aren't, the women, the men.

France should protect muslims who want to wear a veil, France shouldn't murder Libyan muslims And don't say that gays aren't attacked in France.
For me it sounds like a total xenophobic bs against 1 country.
Let's take 1 country and rememebr EVERYTHING negative we know about it.
People choose the government - if they don't wanna protect gays, let it be so. Nobody jumps at you and orders what to do in your own home So why being so negative against Azeri nation which doesn't mind such government? When they are ready to change their laws they will do this, but it's their laws - not yours.

 

[Galandar]

Administration of the President of Azerbaijan about ESC 2012 (in Russian) http://news.day.az/politics/269446.html

 

[Mackan]

Wall of text

Great post! We should have a like button just like on facebook.

 

[Simon87]

Is it true that Azerbeijan will investite 100 miliones in organisation?

 

[JackBauer]

France should protect muslims who want to wear a veil, France shouldn't murder Libyan muslims And don't say that gays aren't attacked in France.
For me it sounds like a total xenophobic bs against 1 country.
Let's take 1 country and rememebr EVERYTHING negative we know about it.
Nobody jumps at you and orders what to do in your own home So why being so negative against Azeri nation which doesn't mind such government? When they are ready to change their laws they will do this, but it's their laws - not yours.

But when did i said gays people weren't sometimes discrimated in France?

I said what i said in general, read my post again. It's just people said things that i think shouldn't be said on the Azerbaijan 2012 topic, my reaction would've been the same no matter what the country would be



But as you attacked me on France let me tell you this.


For Muslim women, the only main concern was about more and more women wearing a Burqa and not showing even 1/20 of their face and body, which people here thinks is a bad thing for the image of the women and for security concern as you can identify someone who is under it.

The law forbid EVERYONE, to wear religious sign, Veils but also Cross or Kippas in ONLY public places which means City Halls and Schools.You can wear religious signs everywhere else,

That's because France, like Turkey for example has the 'laicité' in his constitution.

It's only the foreign media choice to criticize the law as against Muslim and to emphasizes French problems with it's muslims community.

As for the intervention in Libye, when was the referendum to ask french people if they were ok or supporting it already? So as i said in my previous post let's make a difference between france 's government and the french people!


And please don't say incredible naive things like people choose the government so they have the right to not protect gays people. It's a lie people vote for a governement because of their plans for the economy and the country, not because they promise to protect or not to protect anyone.


I think every government, the Azeri one include should protect at any cost every citizen who has the nationality of their country, whateven their religions, sexual preferences are.

People choose the government - if they don't wanna protect gays, let it be so.

To say any government can do what he wants to his citizens or persecute them because it's elected is an ABOMINATION! (but please not my Azeris friends that i'm saying that in general and not that's what Azerbaijan's government is doing in particular )



Since the beggining i'm saying i wish to go to Baku 2012 and that will be my first eurovision. I want to discover Azeri's culture for a long time and i'm smart enough to make the difference between Azerbaijan and it's people as a country and their governement!


I' m just saying that if indeed the freendom of speech and the gay discrimination is a problem with that government, then things should improve and that mainly for the Azeris

 

[Qele_Armenia]

Every person tries to bring his country to the top so of course in case they take part in the contest in Baku they could do the same way other perople try to promote their countries and in my opinion we Azerbaijanies should not blame them for being proud of their country during the song contest. At the same time there is one BUT! They do not have to bring anything mentioning Nagorno-Karabakh cause this would be treated as a pure and unacceptable provocation.

why do Armenians couldn't bring with them the flags of Nagorno-Karabakh? Did u forget whose flag raised your singer when they were recognized the winners.it was Turkish flag.so if it was Ok for u,why should restrict us in our choice?

 

[deese]

No, you can't bring the flags of NK, it is unacceptable. There is no country as NK, you can bring yours of course.

 

[deese]

What?? Is there really such low in Azerbaijan or u assume? I didn't hear about it, but if its true I find it totally unacceptable and if I was EBU I'd kindly ask them to abolish this low, not just during the ESC, but preferably forever.

we don't have such law. we accept Armenia as an independent country. their sporstmen and politicians do come here, we don't have diplomatic relations due to their support of the separatist in NK. we ban people with the passports of so called NK republic, which is absolutly right since they musntn't have own passports as they are our own citizens thus they break our law.

 

[JackBauer]

I agree flags of regions shouldn't be allowed at Eurovision, only the countries ones.


On the other hand i think it was a little stupid of the winners to wawe a Turkish flag, everyone with half a brain knows that Turkey is Azerbaijan's brother but on eurovision night it was Azerbaijan's night only , their time to be in the spotlight and it should have been the only flag seen on the stage that night!

But that's not the end of the world, they were winners they had the right to do whatever they wanted, just thinking it was Azerbaijan's night that's all

 

[deese]

^ agree, it was a bit stupid but as they said, firstly they promised to represent both Turkey and Azerbaijan since Turkey had been kicked out. Secondly, Eldar who had to take our flag got totally mad and didn't know what to do, it is forgivable cause people don't win the contest every day.

 

[AlekS]

But as you attacked me on France let me tell you this.

If having my own opinion is called an "attack" then don't worry so much - I'll attack you again. With pleasure.

The law forbid EVERYONE, to wear religious sign, Veils but also Cross or Kippas in ONLY public places which means City Halls and Schools.You can wear religious signs everywhere else

It doesn't make this law less discriminative.

As for the intervention in Libye, when was the referendum to ask french people if they were ok or supporting it already? So as i said in my previous post let's make a difference between france 's government and the french people!

French people chose that government so no need in being biased towards only a government. You should have thought better while choosing someone who is famous for xenophobic laws and sayings against Africans/Arabs. Now you pay for your choice.

And please don't say incredible naive things like people choose the government so they have the right to not protect gays people. It's a lie people vote for a governement because of their plans for the economy and the country, not because they promise to protect or not to protect anyone.

If someone wants to change another country's system ... what your government (and people who chose it) did to Libya... then we have the same right to bomb France just because we don't like something in your politics, it's really about human rights, uhuh.

I think every government, the Azeri one include should protect at any cost every citizen who has the nationality of their country, whateven their religions, sexual preferences are.

I think they know better what to do and what's better for them. They will chnage if they get it themselves, imo they don't need somebody's pressure. Belarus is a perfect example. It's isolated but people still support their president and human rights are still being abolished.

Since the beggining i'm saying i wish to go to Baku 2012 and that will be my first eurovision.

Why? If it's "ABOMINATION" ... it's not a political sub-forum in order to lay shiii at some governments.

I' m just saying that if indeed the freendom of speech and the gay discrimination is a problem with that government, then things should improve and that mainly for the Azeris

Finally I agree with something from you, at least.

 

[Qele_Armenia]

we don't have such law. we accept Armenia as an independent country. their sporstmen and politicians do come here, we don't have diplomatic relations due to their support of the separatist in NK. we ban people with the passports of so called NK republic, which is absolutly right since they musntn't have own passports as they are our own citizens thus they break our law.

Among those who visit Karabakh aren't only Armenians,but lots of foreigners.they all have a stamp in the passports.are you gonna ban them too? If so ,u gonna have another headache coz there is not such a point in EBU rule against those who visit unrecognized countries