FSC #147 - May 2021: THE SHOW! [Kiruna, Sweden] | RESULTS from page 4
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hawadharma
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OK peeps, let's kick off this ESC withdrawal period with a Top 24 from 
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Rather good music this month. I liked quite a lot of the entries.
The following shortlist of 21 made the cut:
The following shortlist of 21 made the cut:
has just voted in the Private Forum 
apasionata
Veteran
's votes are perched in our private forum !! 
Our TOP 20 for the extra-curious:
nofuxCZ
Well-known member
votes in the PF
votes are in our private forum 
Marite
Well-known member
The voting period is now over, the votes have been received and calculated, and we have a winner!
The results show will be held in this thread on:
Saturday, 29 May at 20:00 CEST.
Feel free to post your predictions now! Who do you think will win the FSC #147?
The results show will be held in this thread on:
Saturday, 29 May at 20:00 CEST.
Feel free to post your predictions now! Who do you think will win the FSC #147?
Announcement: FSC Canada - Votes and sanctions
Canada has for the second time in less than 12 months posted a confidential submission (this time votes for FSC May) in a public forum (the FSC Forum) in violation of the FSC Rules. The post was up and read by members for several hours before a Mod came online and deleted it.
The first time it happened (October 2020) Canada received a Warning, but with this second offense the FSC Mod team agrees that stricter sanctions need be enforced. After a discussion, we have decided on the following:
In view of the seriousness of the matter and the repeated offense, the FSC Mod team has decided to disqualify the Canadian votes from this FSC May edition, the Canadian votes will not be counted, Canada will be placed last in the ranking on the scoreboard retaining its points, and Canada will receive 1 Warning point for breaking the FSC Rules.
The Canadian HOJ has been informed.
We ask all juries in FSC to ensure votes/entries are confidential in accordance with the FSC Rules and to take care that votes/entries are submitted in your private FSC forums, never in a public forum. Thanks.
On behalf of the FSC Mod team,
Regards,
Malagant
FSC Admin
Canada has for the second time in less than 12 months posted a confidential submission (this time votes for FSC May) in a public forum (the FSC Forum) in violation of the FSC Rules. The post was up and read by members for several hours before a Mod came online and deleted it.
The first time it happened (October 2020) Canada received a Warning, but with this second offense the FSC Mod team agrees that stricter sanctions need be enforced. After a discussion, we have decided on the following:
In view of the seriousness of the matter and the repeated offense, the FSC Mod team has decided to disqualify the Canadian votes from this FSC May edition, the Canadian votes will not be counted, Canada will be placed last in the ranking on the scoreboard retaining its points, and Canada will receive 1 Warning point for breaking the FSC Rules.
The Canadian HOJ has been informed.
We ask all juries in FSC to ensure votes/entries are confidential in accordance with the FSC Rules and to take care that votes/entries are submitted in your private FSC forums, never in a public forum. Thanks.
On behalf of the FSC Mod team,
Regards,
Malagant
FSC Admin
Mozz
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I'm not sure that I agree with this approach, because the net result is that the 10 countries that would otherwise receive the points from the Canadian jury are now also punished while having no blame in this...
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I don't think this is an appropriate reaction to such a minor mistake, especially when the forum can have lag or a glitch and you might end up posting your votes in the wrong place. While it never happened to me in FSC, I had a similar experience in another contest - through conversations though - where I accidentally sent my votes to the wrong person due to the forum taking too much time to update the recipient and I sent the PM to the one I typed initially instead of the actual votes collector. @JChan took time to listen to the songs and actually sent them in time, but now it is just a waste of time for him and a loss to everyone who voted for his song....
hawadharma
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While we are in this topic on voting rules,
I am just curious about how transparent is the voting between the mods/vote collector are
In this case, @JChan mistakenly posted his votes in public, therefore there is a possibility that any of us (who has not voted) will adjust our votes accordingly to minimise the effect of votes (I hope you understand what I mean).
But that is only 1 vote. What if someone who has prior knowledge to ALL the votes?
Since the mods/vote collector have the upper hand to see other participants votes' beforehand, is there any procedure whereby the mods/vote collector have to present their votes first (internally among each other) before other votes from normal participants came in?
In my experience, when I hosted and collect votes in any contest (read: OM), I will make sure I present and 'lock' my votes to the mods first before I open the voting to other participants. This prevents me from altering my votes afterwards.
I think this is important to know, so we are clear about how transparent the voting process really is.
I am just curious about how transparent is the voting between the mods/vote collector are
In this case, @JChan mistakenly posted his votes in public, therefore there is a possibility that any of us (who has not voted) will adjust our votes accordingly to minimise the effect of
votes (I hope you understand what I mean).But that is only 1 vote. What if someone who has prior knowledge to ALL the votes?
Since the mods/vote collector have the upper hand to see other participants votes' beforehand, is there any procedure whereby the mods/vote collector have to present their votes first (internally among each other) before other votes from normal participants came in?
In my experience, when I hosted and collect votes in any contest (read: OM), I will make sure I present and 'lock' my votes to the mods first before I open the voting to other participants. This prevents me from altering my votes afterwards.
I think this is important to know, so we are clear about how transparent the voting process really is.
While we are in this topic on voting rules,
I am just curious about how transparent is the voting between the mods/vote collector are
In this case, @JChan mistakenly posted his votes in public, therefore there is a possibility that any of us (who has not voted) will adjust our votes accordingly to minimise the effect of
But that is only 1 vote. What if someone who has prior knowledge to ALL the votes?
Since the mods/vote collector have the upper hand to see other participants votes' beforehand, is there any procedure whereby the mods/vote collector have to present their votes first (internally among each other) before other votes from normal participants came in?
In my experience, when I hosted and collect votes in any contest (read: OM), I will make sure I present and 'lock' my votes to the mods first before I open the voting to other participants. This prevents me from altering my votes afterwards.
I think this is important to know, so we are clear about how transparent the voting process really is.
From what I recall from my time as FSC moderator there wasn't much of a transparency check when it came to the votes collector like it exists in OM or WV. In my case, back then I was in a jury of four to eight people depending on the month so my votes did not have that much of an impact anyway and they were posted in the Private Forum as soon as the Head of Delegation compiled the votes. Perhaps times have changed though, the current mod team is certainly more pro-active than the one before lol.