Finland FINLAND 2024 - Windows95man - No Rules!

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[nudiecrudi]

The problem with this pseudo anarchist song it is the inconcistecy.
If you want to be coherent with your message "No rules", do smth against the roles of this event. Be naked completely,, use prohibited words, do smth to get disqualified. Than ill say Chapeau to you because you're a real anarchist that hates the rules.
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[TiagoFS]

This is not my type of song. Some parts of the performance are unneccessary, last year it was much better.

 

[Paco Roca]

Do you really think this is quality?

Quality is not always what is perfect but what is liked. The public decides the winner. The Eurovision Song Contest has become accustomed to wonderful songs ending up under less qualitative songs but which had a story, political or silly gesture that captured the imagination of the public.

If we were to evaluate the engineering quality of the sound, yes I understand and study this topic, "La Noia" would need a slight remix. There are slight imperfections. The songs that are technically better in sound are others. The best of all? "Tuta Gold". The desire not to see Mahmood for the third time and the pressure of having to bring a woman so as not to be judged by the obsessed Bubble made you discard "Tuta Gold", a song considerably better than "Soldi" and which is climbing Spotify to reach the Top 30. "La Noia" can improve and Angelina could also do well at the ESC (like many other songs from Sanremo 2024) but so far if we talk about quality there are flaws here too.

 

[EscGeek]

Fried chicken nuggets are more tasty than rye bread.
"Quality" does not always mean that the masses will enjoy it.

 

[MopManMoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1757436119275221017

 

[empo21]

Windows, go fix your laggy ass win11, then you can root for flops

 

[mup]

The problem with this pseudo anarchist song it is the inconcistecy.
If you want to be coherent with your message "No rules", do smth against the roles of this event. Be naked completely,, use prohibited words, do smth to get disqualified. Than ill say Chapeau to you because you're a real anarchist that hates the rules.
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Personally I wouldn't define it anarchist in the deep meaning of the word. It's just an energetic entry designed to be campy and attract votes, of course by being so it's a circus... but Eurovision has room for all.

 

[Neo]

Well that was different..

 

[Kev4000]

Is there a full duet-version of Ylivoimainen available? I loved this version at UMK, gives me chills everytime.

 

[rasmuslights]

Windows95manilla on pari päivää aikaa miettiä, edustaako Suomea Euroviisuissa â Yle: âTotta kai meillä on varasuunnitelmaâ

Israelin hyökkäykset Gazaan ovat saaneet UMK-kilpailun voittajan pohtimaan osallistumista toukokuussa järjestettäviin Euroviisuihin.

yle.fi

there's quite a big chance windows95man won't participate! (due to israel/palestine and personal reasons as well)

 

[HarryUK]

Windows95manilla on pari päivää aikaa miettiä, edustaako Suomea Euroviisuissa â Yle: âTotta kai meillä on varasuunnitelmaâ

Israelin hyökkäykset Gazaan ovat saaneet UMK-kilpailun voittajan pohtimaan osallistumista toukokuussa järjestettäviin Euroviisuihin.

yle.fi

there's quite a big chance windows95man won't participate! (due to israel/palestine and personal reasons as well)

Why accept it in the first place? Cba for these dramatics. Say no in the first place - it's not exactly breaking news that Israel has been carpet bombing refugee camps under the alias of 'Hamas fighters were there' is it...

 

[norppa]

^ I am sure that Teemu especially wants to participate, but the amount of hatred on social media they've received from Palestine supporters has probably made them more hesitant. This negative feedback has apparently included death threats (I have no proof of this, but a comment made by someone in the Finnish Eurovision forums).

The artist circles in Finland are small so there is not just the pressuring by the fans but their co-workers as well. Before the contest every participant had been asked about Israel and in the first interview Jesse Markin also had not said that he would withdraw if he won - this happened few days afterwards. His sister was among the people who had signed the petition sent to YLE to boycott if Israel were to participate, so we can only speculate if it had impact over Jesse's decision.

But anyway, this is just my two sents because and I want to bring up how incredibly difficult to current situation is for Teemu and Henri. I have stopped reading all the comments under UMK posts because some of the comments are so incredibly sick.

 

[HarryUK]

^ I am sure that Teemu especially wants to participate, but the amount of hatred on social media they've received from Palestine supporters has probably made them more hesitant. This negative feedback has apparently included death threats (I have no proof of this, but a comment made by someone in the Finnish Eurovision forums).

The artist circles in Finland are small so there is not just the pressuring by the fans but their co-workers as well. Before the contest every participant had been asked about Israel and in the first interview Jesse Markin also had not said that he would withdraw if he won - this happened few days afterwards. His sister was among the people who had signed the petition sent to YLE to boycott if Israel were to participate, so we can only speculate if it had impact over Jesse's decision.

But anyway, this is just my two sents because and I want to bring up how incredibly difficult to current situation is for Teemu and Henri. I have stopped reading all the comments under UMK posts because some of the comments are so incredibly sick.

Supporters on both sides literally copy and paste the same arguments, you could probably recite it word for word - I may just be thicker skinned but ignore it and put on the show that your public has voted for you to do!

 

[MooseShoes]

Without wanting to appear flippant, I thought the whole point of this act was that they follow "no rules."

 

[Jupiter]

Why accept it in the first place? Cba for these dramatics. Say no in the first place - it's not exactly breaking news that Israel has been carpet bombing refugee camps under the alias of 'Hamas fighters were there' is it...

Accept what? Or say no when? They likely applied to UMK before the newest escalation in the Israeli-Palestinensa conflict. When the conflict broke out again, they were already in it seems. They definitely signed the UMK contract before Isarels participation was announced. Then they thought they had no chance of winning, so wouldn't need to consider if they'd go or not. Hence the question only came up now. And obviously they would have wanted to do UMK because it's a big national event no matter ESC anyway.

If they decide not to go, it's likely YLE would ask Sara as the runner up. Thing is, she apoarently said before she's not sure she'd want to go either. So who knows how this will go in the end.

 

[Datura]

The problem with this pseudo anarchist song it is the inconcistecy.
If you want to be coherent with your message "No rules", do smth against the roles of this event. Be naked completely,, use prohibited words, do smth to get disqualified. Than ill say Chapeau to you because you're a real anarchist that hates the rules.
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oh please it's not that deep.... it's a fun song that obviously not everybody finds funny but nothing more.

 

[Judas]

I am upgrading my vote to 12 The song is definitely stuck in my head and I can't help but vibe with it all the time. I don't get why some are so upset over a fun song.

 

[Ted Talks]

I am upgrading my vote to 12 The song is definitely stuck in my head and I can't help but vibe with it all the time. I don't get why some are so upset over a fun song.

I think as I've said before on here, I'm not against fun songs as a general rule, it's this type of song that bothers me. In the UK, it now feels like Eurovision is being taken more seriously and these kinds of acts are the exception to the rule now. It's getting a level of credibility it hasn't had in years and that's down to the contest taking itself a little more seriously and breakout songs/artists coming from it - Maneskin, Rosa Linn, Loreen etc.

For me, that progress is at real risk of being undone by acts like this which just reinforce the old stereotypes that were long ingrained in the UK's psyche from the early 00s. I'm sure it's a mindset that applies much wider too.

This Finnish act just feels cheap and tacky and harks back to that 00s era where Eurovision had become a joke. It's now (relatively) cool and credible and this song is just is a major backwards step imo. I think what's worse for me is that is comes across as insincere and fake wacky/cheesy. Käärijä felt genuine and the song was fun too. This song may be fun (not for me personally) but it comes across as fake.

 

[HarryUK]

Accept what? Or say no when? They likely applied to UMK before the newest escalation in the Israeli-Palestinensa conflict. When the conflict broke out again, they were already in it seems. They definitely signed the UMK contract before Isarels participation was announced. Then they thought they had no chance of winning, so wouldn't need to consider if they'd go or not. Hence the question only came up now. And obviously they would have wanted to do UMK because it's a big national event no matter ESC anyway.

If they decide not to go, it's likely YLE would ask Sara as the runner up. Thing is, she apoarently said before she's not sure she'd want to go either. So who knows how this will go in the end.

They could have pulled out if they were that offended by a foreign war. Eurovision is by definition a non-political event. It’s actions like this that makes it political. All seems like nonsense to me. Jumping on a bandwagon.

 

[Judas]

I think as I've said before on here, I'm not against fun songs as a general rule, it's this type of song that bothers me. In the UK, it now feels like Eurovision is being taken more seriously and these kinds of acts are the exception to the rule now. It's getting a level of credibility it hasn't had in years and that's down to the contest taking itself a little more seriously and breakout songs/artists coming from it - Maneskin, Rosa Linn, Loreen etc.

For me, that progress is at real risk of being undone by acts like this which just reinforce the old stereotypes that were long ingrained in the UK's psyche from the early 00s. I'm sure it's a mindset that applies much wider too.

This Finnish act just feels cheap and tacky and harks back to that 00s era where Eurovision had become a joke. It's now (relatively) cool and credible and this song is just is a major backwards step imo. I think what's worse for me is that is comes across as insincere and fake wacky/cheesy. Käärijä felt genuine and the song was fun too. This song may be fun (not for me personally) but it comes across as fake.

I am not sure if I follow this notion. The "tackiness" as you put it has always been a part of Eurovision. We have a good mix of serious and fun entries in general. There are so many Eurofans out there who love Eurovision for what it is. If we need to think about the new fans who may find the contest "joke" just because songs like No Rules! are in the mixed bag, then I am not sure if this is the right event for them to enjoy. Dismissing people who have been long time fan for this spirit of the contest and thinking about new people joining the community feeling off by this song, then I would not mind about the new people not enjoying Eurovision for what it is.

Such sentiments always give me an eerie feeling. It makes me feel like people see the duo as just so cringe to watch and it requires a low IQ or a really bad taste to enjoy such entries. I gradually feel more timid to speak out of my appreciation for such entries and I don't feel comfortable about expressing my enjoyment.