EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

[escYOUnited]

Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[Leydan]

And now SMRTV has stated they have made efforts to approach EBU on reconsidering cancellation, to be changed by postponement.

Well...

Would be nice, but I doubt they'll listen tbh. Considering how they've so easily written off SMRTVs requests etc in the past.

 

[Alaska49]

And now SMRTV has stated they have made efforts to approach EBU on reconsidering cancellation, to be changed by postponement.

Well...

well, it's san marino, they are more likely to cancel 2021 on top of 2020 than to listen to them

 

[Realest]

Borislav Milanov:

Also we just have to look closely at the name of the contest, “The Eurovision SONG Contest”, to understand that the song is central to the competition, and without songwriters, producers and publishers, their would be no songs.
This contest started as a contest for composers and songwriters and now it’s turned to a Reference Group Contest serving specific interest and totally ignoring and disrespecting the songwriters and their hard work! How ever will the Eurovision Song Contest come back stronger than ever without the Songs and the Songwriters and by making so many people, labels, institutions upset and losing the trust in a fair EBU?
So many of us are disheartened by this decision, as we have input so much already, but we have no protection over our work.

Not only those countries and the fans! Basically 80% of the songwriters, music producers, labels and publisher are also upset and disappointed. Every country should have the choice either to use the same song or not and then carry the consequences and risk for their decision! The fairest solution would have been to ask the different countries and to give the choice! Either to use or not! You can always try to write a new song but being able to use the songs if you want should be the choice of each country! Let’s also remind ourselves, that the songs are released because we agreed to abide by delivering our works to you by the deadline of March 9th, so they can be included on the Eurovision YouTube Channel.
The same rules you are claiming now, that make them invalid for next year’s ESC. Almost all writers and publishers would have never released this songs in that way otherwise and would have use it differently!

 

[DaFlo]

He's correct. It's fuck EBU from now on *yeezyshrug*

 

[hijirio]

BoriSLAY Milanov

 

[sapsan]

What can I tell you afterall. This season was too good to be true. Anyway, this music will be saved in my heart and music player.
And still even ESC 2021 looks doubtful with that pandemic.

 

[Loindici]

Borislav Milanov's quote

I have to agree with him.

As an extent to my comment regarding decrease of interest, this statement has also opened my mind that it would affect not only the artists, but all involvements within: dancers, dance instructors, backing singers, producers, songwriters, record labels, and et cetera. I mean, if EBU could throw their work away so easy, why would they want to participate again when it becomes worthless at the end of the day? There's basically no written guarantee from the RG about how they would preserve their work, but to ditch all the 41 entrants in a trashcan?

Unfortunately, I can only see this statement being put into effect when at least 50%+1 (which is 21 in this case) broadcaster teamed up to claim the wrongdoings of the RG. Otherwise, it'll only be a million voices without an ear to listen.

And apparently, as you might know, some broadcasters have started planning their 'financially more compelling' options. You know which ones I'm talking about.

 

[HayashiM]

I agree with Jan Bors that having composers competing with multiple entries in the same year is ridiculous. But I also think that not allowing this year's songs while talking some nonsense about "the rules" is even more ridiculous.

Eurovision 2020 is not taking place, which has never happened before, so the rules have been broken already. It should be the individual broadcaster's choice whether to take a risk and send a 2020 song or come up with something new, no one else's.

 

[Mainshow]

The album/CD will be released on 8th May!

Eurovision Song Contest 2020 Album To Be Released May 8 - Eurovoix

The official album for the Eurovision Song Contest 2020 will be released on May 8.

eurovoix.com

 

[DaFlo]

"No you are not allowed to use your entries next year but we are allowed to make money out of them now xo"

Shame shame shame

 

[Romeo]

Anybody think if this whole mess dies down by the summer we could have a summer ESC?

 

[Ana Raquel]

"No you are not allowed to use your entries next year but we are allowed to make money out of them now xo"

Shame shame shame

i love you

they should at least take the money and give it to the delegations who had to spend a lot this year for nothing

oh but wait they won't

 

[Romeo]

The EBU have made it clear they don't care about the singers / songwriters etc. They just want to make money. Taking a year out but still releasing the album is shocking! Acts should have the option to use the same song next year! The EBU should not disrespect the teams and assume that they will just say "okay you spent this time and money on songs but it is all in vain".

They say it would be wrong to allow broadcasters to record the performances on home soil because it would 'not be in the spirit of the contest'. But it was okay when they suggested it for Russia in 2017

 

[njdevils94]

Ex- HOD Jan Bors has called out Borislav Milanov

Jan Frost Bors

WTF WE HAVE HERE? We have some problem here with songwriters in Eurovision. Curiously looking into that situation which seems a bit ridiculous to me. Some of them comparing songwriters to...

www.facebook.com

 

[DaFlo]

Ex- HOD Jan Bors has called out Borislav Milanov

Jan Frost Bors

WTF WE HAVE HERE? We have some problem here with songwriters in Eurovision. Curiously looking into that situation which seems a bit ridiculous to me. Some of them comparing songwriters to...

www.facebook.com

Pathetic

 

[Mainshow]

Ex- HOD Jan Bors has called out Borislav Milanov

Jan Frost Bors

WTF WE HAVE HERE? We have some problem here with songwriters in Eurovision. Curiously looking into that situation which seems a bit ridiculous to me. Some of them comparing songwriters to...

www.facebook.com

He didn't call out Milanov but more songwriters being mad about the decision.
Jan Bors is right, though. People are dying. The songs get released and are shared on social media and uploaded on YouTube. Of course, it sucks that the artists cannot get the chance to perform and promote their work on a bigger stage but cancelling means cancelling and not postponement... It's the best "solution" out of many non-perfect ones to ask for new songs 2021 because some very influential broadcasters (Norway, Sweden, Denmark....) won't send their 2020 songs. 2021 will be a fresh start for everyone.

Also. I absolutely agree with Bors saying that broadcasters should try to attract local songwriters instead of getting the same songwriters for 5/6 countries per year....

That said, I can understand why composers, artists etc are disappointed but releasing the CD is not "milking them".. It's also trying to honour the songs + if you stream them/buy them, the artists and producers will also get paid/royalties... unlike stage designers, delegations etc. Their work is completely in vain whilst artists and producers have final works to promote and show the world,at least.

 

[HayashiM]

As I wrote earlier, I think Jan Bors mixes up two completely unrelated things.

Yes, please do attract local songwriters, that's what Eurovision should be about in my eyes. Giving a chance to everyone to make themselves known internationally, to have fun, to bring new things. Jan tried to go this way and I am very happy about that, IMO it is paying off.

But that has very little to do about the decision to not let this year's songs compete in the next edition. Yes, the seasoned songwriters are also pissed about this, but they are just one of the parties who have been damaged, they are not the only ones. The question of 2020 vs 2021 songs is an entirely different problem and as I see it, the adopted solution is simply wrong. Why not let everyone choose? As great as Melfest is, do we have to bend Eurovision according to its rules and interests? I don't think so.

 

[shameless]

Anybody think if this whole mess dies down by the summer we could have a summer ESC?

No, this is really unrealistic. Even if the numbers will go down in european countries by that time, travelling and the aftermath will still be impacted for the rest of the year. I just hope that everything will be over soon and we will all be fine, yes I hope this so much.

 

[HayashiM]

Anybody think if this whole mess dies down by the summer we could have a summer ESC?

Yeah, summer is not realistic from the perspective of organizing everything. I think there's about 80% chance everything could've been prepared for some time around JESC's usual date, e.g. October - November. But this is a corporate decision we're talking about, and those usually need 100% certainty or something very close to that. So EBU just said nah nah nah.

 

[Uto]

Chances are pretty big that travel will be restricted up until the point we develop a good medicine or a vaccine. The death rate is nothing to scoff at and it's very unlikely we can get enough people 'safely' infected to develop a sufficient layer of herd immunity.

JESC is at risk. ESC 2021 is uncertain.