EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

[escYOUnited]

Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[Citelis]

How do you mean that? Keeping the same artists, but 'forcing' them to bring up a new song that fits the date rule seems more unrealistic to me.

They won't keep the same artists! My guess is that it will be up to the broadcasters.

 

[NikolaiMoller]

Imagine how Samanta Tina are feeling about this. After so many attempts. She finally got the ticket to Eurovision, but no

 

[cegs5]

Honestly, just like all the people involved in ESC: artists, song writers, producers, etc. MOST OF THE PEOPLE in the world are changing their plans if not cancelling at all, losing their jobs, business, and most important losing their family members... and I see eurofans having a tantrum because an event is cancelled.
I do feel it for all of them involved and all the job and effort put in their participation for ESC 2020, my empathy goes for them too, but seeing what is going on in the world right now, unfortunately many of us had to do exceptional decisions. It is time of uncertaintity in all matters, so excercising what EBU should or shouldn’t do for next year is just senseless.

 

[RainyWoods]

The only thing left this year I had to look forward to and now it's gone, full stop. Health and safety should always come first (I absolutely didn't want the contest to go ahead whilst people are at risk) but why couldn't they either postpone it or do the satellite thing as originally discussed? A lot of heart, energy, time and money goes into this thing and to just pull the plug on it like this crushes dreams in such a horrible way. It's sad enough as a fan but imagine how these artists and their teams must feel right now. Samanta Tina who for eight years fought for this chance, finally gets it and then has it ripped off of her. Almost 200 million people were going to hear these songs and now they'll just be remembered by us. It's really sad.

 

[DaFlo]

It is not a good business for anyone, non EBU either the artists, to have in competition “old songs”. It is a very romantic idea to have them all for next year, especially for fans, but not realistic. So I believe there will be a fully new selection of artists and songs, which is the most sensible thing to do, for the benefit of the contest and the artists themselves.

These "old songs" are still gonna sound new to 99% of the viewers. There was a number 1 hit in the US last year that got first released in 2017. So I dont know why it should be a problem having one year old songs in Eurovision for once.

Not allowing it is just a big fuck you in the face of 41 participants that were looking forward to their dream this year.

 

[Daybreak]

Music doesn't have an expiration date unless they're planning to hold the next ESC a decade later or something. (although it may hurt the various meme/novelty entries the hardest since this kind of stuff has a shorter shelf-life) It would make even less sense to invite the artists or composers back by default but with a new song that may be vastly different, this is a song contest after all.

 

[Storm]

This is sooo sad

I hope they keep the songs but I don't know if it is possible. I'm sure certain countries would stick to their artists though.

 

[MalagaToledo]

Conchita and Sampson wrote that they are heartbroken..

 

[mauve]

All I feel is just emptyness and sadness. I need to digest the news.

 

[4815162342]

They won't keep the same artists! My guess is that it will be up to the broadcasters.

It sounded like you were saying we won't see any of these years song next year.

My guess is EBU will allow songs and artists of this year to compete next year and leave that decision to the broadcasters as well. We are going to lose some artists and songs, but as long as the artists don't have any other plans, I do not see why they would not want to compete in 2021. I think its more likely we lose artists which are disliked in the fandom than the ones which are loved.

 

[Loindici]

This is a sad day for all of us, but I wish all of the people for good health and well-beings wherever you are. Now we got a beautiful set of 41 songs we don't have to fight for and just appreciate for their beauty. And also, we have amazing artists from all over the world representing 41 countries that I'm actually glad I'm excited for all of them this year!

I hope they will stick to Rotterdam as a host city. I mean... it's a bit too improper not to chose them again when they are indeed ready for their bid in 2020 like... they're serious for it. The other possibilities could also be that the Netherlands withdraws as a host, but since Italy will still have to prepare to clean Cov2, so... Switzerland? (for obvious reasons, silly.)

I feel that there could be some other possibilities in the 2021 edition:
1. The whole selection season starts over from a clean slate. New artists, new songs.
2. The broadcasters are obliged to keep the representatives, but try to select another song. I feel this could also bring a good/positive feedback towards the contest itself, that they could actually have more time to craft a better song for each of them. In case that the artists are not agreeing, they could have another selection show.
3. The songs stays the same, but they would probably move the date forward. We could have Eurovision in March or February if that happens.

I wonder if Osterdahl will step in as soon as possible, but it feels so unfair for Jon Ola to not host his last Eurovision properly. As unrealistic as it is, I really wish for the EBU (and NRK) to give Jon's supervision permission for one more year. I really don't want to see Jon leaving with literally nothing but coronavirus dust.

 

[Kairit]

Welp, Tomi Rahula, producer of Eesti Laul said that we will be represented by the Eesti Laul 2021 winner next year, not Uku Suviste. God damn. I guess it is tough for countries with certain national finals set in place, but internal selections, I do hope many of them stick to their artists.

 

[John1]

Well, congratulations China!

 

[MalagaToledo]

I wonder how much will this change betting odds. Now the acts have 14 months to prepare staging. Everything is the same I guess. But how many singers will go next year. Some of them have booked gigs.

 

[cegs5]

These "old songs" are still gonna sound new to 99% of the viewers. There was a number 1 hit in the US last year that got first released in 2017. So I dont know why it should be a problem having one year old songs in Eurovision for once.

Not allowing it is just a big fuck you in the face of 41 participants that were looking forward to their dream this year.

... and we also had 1944 released a yearor two before it won ESC, bless.

I will be surprised if they keep artists and songs, but everything right now is just speculation. We could wish this romantic idea of having all artists together next edition keeping their songs will, but at this very moment of uncertainty is only a dream. It could certainly be a good option in an online contest, but i personally don’t see it happening in real life, it is better to assume it now.

 

[Storm]

I hope we won't get a solution where it's up to the broadcasters to keep the songs. That would be unfair imo. They either should keep the songs or forbid them (and then broadcasters can decide if they want to keep the artist).

 

[HayashiM]

"The current situation across Europe is likely to remain uncertain for the coming months and at this stage we cannot guarantee we would be able to stage an event of this size with this many stakeholders later this year. A Contest later in the year would also reduce the amount of time the winning broadcaster would have to prepare for the following year’s competition. "

I think The EBU could have proved itself a bit more flexible, huh?

How about having two of them contests the next year? Let's say, first in January with the original songs, than another one in parallel to JESC, so around November?

 

[John1]

"The current situation across Europe is likely to remain uncertain for the coming months and at this stage we cannot guarantee we would be able to stage an event of this size with this many stakeholders later this year. A Contest later in the year would also reduce the amount of time the winning broadcaster would have to prepare for the following year’s competition. "

I think The EBU could have proved itself a bit more flexible, huh?

How about having two of them contests the next year? Let's say, first in January with the original songs, than another one say, in parallel to JESC.

Yeah holding ESC 2021 two months after a country won in January

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Welp, Tomi Rahula, producer of Eesti Laul said that we will be represented by the Eesti Laul 2021 winner next year, not Uku Suviste. God damn. I guess it is tough for countries with certain national finals set in place, but internal selections, I do hope many of them stick to their artists.

Really? Isn't it a bit early to make such a statement?

 

[tuorem]

Welp, Tomi Rahula, producer of Eesti Laul said that we will be represented by the Eesti Laul 2021 winner next year, not Uku Suviste. God damn. I guess it is tough for countries with certain national finals set in place, but internal selections, I do hope many of them stick to their artists.

That is indeed to be expected.

The artists who might return are most likely to be the ones selected internally, but surely most broadcasters won't cancel their next NF, which means nations with regular public selection processes will have new representatives next year.

It sucks for the ones who won this year.