EuroJury 2021

[esc87fan]

I still don't get the Malta hype. Destiny's a good singer, but the song does nothing for me

 

[mauve]

I also think that the public vote shouldn't be overrated as it is only the fan bubble. People who aren't in the bubble will probably vote very much different on the GF-day.

 

[Remisan]

This is also the jury and the audience, right?
When we subtract the jury scores from the total scores, we get the audience score.
Then Malta also has more points in viewers than Switzerland and France. And Italy has more than Malta.

But all this, of course, does not mean how it will actually be

 

[crashworld]

I am looking at the detailed juries result now.
I love that Gebrasy from Lithuania gave 12 points to Eden/Israel!

There is one discrepency though, Israel and France both got 12 points each from 2 juries from Kazakhstan, but Israel got the 12 point and France got the 10 points instead. I dunno how they decide the tiebreaker that since there are only 2 juries.

And funny when they declare the results Israel is not found in the top 10 list.

 

[heke1988]

Public votes ranking:

1. Italy – 204 Points
2. San Marino – 202 Points
3. Malta – 180 Points
4. Switzerland – 176 Points
5. France – 165 Points
6. Russia – 142 Points
7. Cyprus – 124 Points
8. Bulgaria – 110 Points
9. Lithuania – 109 Points
10. Iceland – 104 Points
11. Romania – 101 Points
12. Ukraine – 98 Points
13. Finland – 90 Points
14. Czech Republic – 74 Points
15. Belgium – 73 Points
16. Norway – 71 Points
17. Ireland – 71 Points
18. Greece – 69 Points
19. Croatia – 65 Points
20. Serbia – 62 Points
21. Israel – 61 Points
22. Azerbaijan – 54 Points
23. Sweden – 53 Points
24. Australia – 49 Points
25. Moldova – 42 Points
26. Denmark – 40 Points
27. United Kingdom – 37 Points
28. Germany – 31 Points
29. The Netherlands – 29 Points
30. Latvia – 28 Points
31. Spain – 26 Points
32. Slovenia – 25 Points
33. Portugal – 18 Points
34. Albania – 16 Points
35. Estonia – 13 Points
36. Poland – 11 Points
37. Austria – 8 Points
38. Georgia – 6 Points
39. North Macedonia – 5 Points

Btw. Estonia points are wrong in full results: Estonia supposed to have 64 points instead of 115 points.

 

[mauve]

Italy won public vote!

 

[heke1988]

I am looking at the detailed juries result now.
I love that Gebrasy from Lithuania gave 12 points to Eden/Israel!

There is one discrepency though, Israel and France both got 12 points each from 2 juries from Kazakhstan, but Israel got the 12 point and France got the 10 points instead. I dunno how they decide the tiebreaker that since there are only 2 juries.

And funny when they declare the results Israel is not found in the top 10 list.

You mean Belgium or Cyprus, because there is no Israel in Kazakhstan's jury TOP-10 list?

Edit. Nevermind. I should have read your comment at the end.

 

[crashworld]

You mean Belgium or Cyprus, because there is no Israel in Kazakhstan's jury TOP-10 list?

Edit. Nevermind. I should have read your comment at the end.

I have screenshot this from the detailed jury from the excel spreadsheet downloaded from Eurovoix website.

 

[heke1988]

Italy won public vote!

And San Marino second: I already see visions about ESC 2019 Grand Final, where Norway won televote, but Norway was 18th place in jury ranking.

 

[crashworld]

I have problem understanding how they decide the tie breaker when it comes to 2 juries for entries with the same points but the respective points come from one jury only.

 

[heke1988]

I have screenshot this from the detailed jury from the excel spreadsheet downloaded from Eurovoix website.

That's odd: There are lot of countries, which aren't that Eurovoix´s screenshot about Kazakhstan top 10.

 

[crashworld]

That's odd: There are lot of countries, which aren't that Eurovoix´s screenshot about Kazakhstan top 10.

But the end results is correct, coz the spreadsheet is right so the Eurovoix screenshot being incorrect does not matter.

My only issue is to understand the tie-breaker situation. Because I am seeing alot of entries with same number of points from same number of juries but one got the higher point instead (just the one I have shared for the Kazakhstan's situation with Israel and France).

Another example here:

This is the Armenia's jury vote.
Like why did Germany got 3 points even though Romania got the exact same number of points from the same number of juries in the same points split as Germany.
I can understand Russia getting the 1 point since only 2 juries vote for it despite having the same points as Germany and Romania.

 

[heke1988]

I have screenshot this from the detailed jury from the excel spreadsheet downloaded from Eurovoix website.

Well Kazakhstan results have certain pattern: Firstly 12 points go to Israel, because Maxim gave it 12 points. Secondly Belgium got 7 points, because Bashanova gave it 10 points. Thirdly Georgia got 5 points, because Maxim gave it 8 points. And fourthly and finally Russia got 2 points, because Bashanova gave it 6 points. Perhaps they together agreed with that?

But the end results is correct, coz the spreadsheet is right so the Eurovoix screenshot being incorrect does not matter.

My only issue is to understand the tie-breaker situation. Because I am seeing alot of entries with same number of points from same number of juries but one got the higher point instead (just the one I have shared for the Kazakhstan's situation with Israel and France).

Another example here:

This is the Armenia's jury vote.
Like why did Germany got 3 points even though Romania got the exact same number of points from the same number of juries in the same points split as Germany.
I can understand Russia getting the 1 point since only 2 juries vote for it despite having the same points as Germany and Romania.

Perhaps in this situation Germany got 3 points, because Poghosyan gave it 6 and he was Armenian jury A member.,

 

[crashworld]

Well Kazakhstan results have certain pattern: Firstly 12 points go to Israel, because Maxim gave it 12 points. Secondly Belgium got 7 points, because Bashanova gave it 10 points. Thirdly Georgia got 5 points, because Maxim gave it 8 points. And fourthly and finally Russia got 2 points, because Bashanova gave it 6 points. Perhaps they together agreed with that?

Why did Israel got 12 points but France got 10 points when Jury A gave 12 points to France and Jury B gave 12 points to Israel?

Perhaps in this situation Germany got 3 points, because Poghosyan gave it 6 and he was Armenian jury A member.,

Why did Jury A get to be the tie-breaker?

I just want to know for such situations, do the juries internally decide who to get the higher point?
Does that happen to the actual ESC too?

 

[crashworld]

OK, I have asked TheEuroJury twitter account and got a reply.
It's a random generator deciding who will get the higher point.
That's not "fair" isn't it?

 

[heke1988]

Why did Israel got 12 points but France got 10 points when Jury A gave 12 points to France and Jury B gave 12 points to Israel?


Why did Jury A get to be the tie-breaker?

I just want to know for such situations the juries will internally decide who to get the higher point?
Does that happen to the actual ESC too?

Look at other Kazakhstan jury results points: For instead Jury A gave Belgium 10 and Jury B gave it 0, and Jury B gave Greece 10 and Jury A gave it 0. And Kazakhstan jury decided to give 7 points to Belgium and 6 points to Greece.

I have no idea, why Jury A get to be the tie-breaker at Armenian jury result. Perhaps he was head of their jury? I can only guess.

 

[Synergise]

For those interested, here are the number of times a jury member voted each country as their personal winner (i.e. their 12 points)

Out of 192 jurors:
1 - Malta (28)
2 - France (19)
3 - Switzerland (17)
4 - Iceland (16)
5 - Israel (13)
6 - Sweden (12)
7 - Italy (11)
8 - Romania (6)
8 - United Kingdom (6)
8 - Ukraine (6)
11 - Cyprus (5)
11 - Finland (5)
11 - Netherlands (5)
14 - Azerbaijan (4)
15 - Bulgaria (3)
15 - Portugal (3)
15 - Ireland (3)
15 - Slovenia (3)
15 - Lithuania (3)
15 - Norway (3)
15 - Austria (3)
15 - San Marino (3)
23 - Germany (2)
23 - Spain (2)
23 - Greece (2)
23 - Russia (2)
23 - Latvia (2)
28 - Estonia (1)
28 - Belgium (1)
28 - Australia (1)
28 - North Macedonia (1)

Croatia, Czech Republic, Albania, Georgia, Moldova, Denmark and Poland received 0 first-places.

 

[crashworld]

Here are jury results based on the 39 competing countries' juries:

1. Malta - 226
2. Switzerland - 197
3. France - 178
4. Israel - 174
5. Iceland - 169
6. Italy - 149
7. Sweden - 116
8. Cyprus - 100
9. Bulgaria - 95
10. Romania - 78
11. Finland - 68
12. United Kingdom - 67
13. Lithuania - 55
14. Slovenia - 48
15. Austria - 44
16. Ireland - 42
17. Ukraine - 41 (TIE)
18. Azerbaijan - 41 (TIE)
19. Norway - 40
20. Portugal - 39
21. Greece - 37
22. Estonia - 35
23. Spain - 34
24. Germany - 30
25. San Marino - 29
26. The Netherlands - 19
27. Belgium - 16
28. Russia - 15 (TIE)
29. Croatia - 15 (TIE)
30. Serbia - 13
31. Australia - 10 (TIE)
32. North Macedonia - 10 (TIE)
33. Georgia - 8
34. Moldova - 7 (TIE)
35. Latvia - 7 (TIE)
36. Czech Republic - 6
37. Albania - 4
38. Denmark - 0 (TIE)
39. Poland - 0 (TIE)

Here are the overall results based on the 39 competing countries' juries and online vote:

1. Malta - 406
2. Switzerland - 373
3. Italy - 353
4. France - 343
5. Iceland - 273
6. Israel - 235
7. San Marino - 231
8. Cyprus - 224
9. Bulgaria - 205
10. Romania - 179
11. Sweden - 169
12. Lithuania - 164
13. Finland - 158
14. Russia - 157
15. Ukraine - 139
16. Ireland - 113
17. Norway - 111
18. Greece - 106
19. United Kingdom - 104
20. Azerbaijan - 95
21. Belgium - 89
22. Czech Republic - 80 (TIE)
23. Croatia - 80 (TIE)
24. Serbia - 75
25. Slovenia - 73
26. Germany - 61
27. Spain - 60
28. Australia - 59
29. Portugal - 57
30. Austria - 52
31. Moldova - 49
32. The Netherlands - 48 (TIE)
33. Estonia - 48 (TIE)
34. Denmark - 40
35. Latvia - 35
36. Albania - 20
37. North Macedonia - 15
38. Georgia - 14
39. Poland - 11

*In situations where there are entries with the same number of points, the tie-breaker will be based on who got the higher televote points.

 

[Synergise]

As another analysis, here is the percentage of eligible jurors for each country that ranked the entry anywhere in their top 10 (calculated this way so not to disadvantage countries with high numbers of jurors).

Here are all of the countries which were in the top 10 of at least a quarter of the individual jurors.

Malta - 59.56%
Switzerland - 56.22%
Israel - 54.79%
Iceland - 50.79%
France - 49.73%
Romania - 45.21%
Sweden - 42.39%
Italy - 40.96%
Cyprus - 39.15%
Bulgaria - 37.89%
United Kingdom - 31.22%
Portugal - 30.16%
Finland - 29.95%
Ireland - 28.88%
Spain - 27.37%
Germany - 26.88%
Estonia - 25.53%

Predictably, Poland came last with votes from just 4.37% of voters

 

[Loindici]

I'm not even surprised TBH, very book-like.