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ESTONIA 2011 - Getter Jaani - Rockefeller Street

How do you rate the entry?

  • 12

    134 39.4%
  • 10

    54 15.9%
  • 8

    31 9.1%
  • 7

    26 7.6%
  • 6

    11 3.2%
  • 5

    16 4.7%
  • 4

    15 4.4%
  • 3

    8 2.4%
  • 2

    5 1.5%
  • 1

    8 2.4%
  • 0

    32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    340

A-lister

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Am I the only one NOT liking this song? :shock:

Everytime I hear I'm still schocked at some words people use to describe it (original, modern)... what's original and modern in this?? To me it sounds like 100 other ESC songs from the past, if you look past the change in tempo (which aren't that special) it is a very simple disco-pop-schlager song.

I really miss Ithaka Maria :(

Oh well, atleast she's pretty :lol: But on the other hand so was Ithaka aswell :lol:
 

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This song is pretty unique, it has three different rhythms and its quite catchy.

Ithaka wouldve been a crap entry in comparison to this and I'm glad the juries put her where she belonged.
 

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Ithaka wouldve been a crap entry in comparison to this and I'm glad the juries put her where she belonged.

Yeah because it wouldn't be your random plastic-disco-schlager which we got instead and ESC fans can drool over :lol:

People see something in this song which I clearly can't see, it's a simple song with stupid lyrics. But hey hoo everyone to theirs, the change in tempo and instruments doesn't fool me a bit and can't disguise the song to me though.

But I am not surprised the ESC fans love this, it's the type of entry i'd see get alot of love here.
 
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Right, Rockefeller Street is schlager all of a sudden... :lol:

I'm sure the depth of Ithaka Maria's lyrics would've been mind blowing.
Hopaparei was about some troll giving Ithaka Maria magical words which she annoyingly repeats for over 2 minutes.
Inspirational....:rolleyes:
 

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Right, Rockefeller Street is schlager all of a sudden... :lol:

I'm sure the depth of Ithaka Maria's lyrics would've been mind blowing.
Hopaparei was about some troll giving Ithaka Maria magical words which she annoyingly repeats for over 2 minutes.
Inspirational....:rolleyes:

So boo hoo someone doesn't like this song? Is this a fight of which song is the best one really? So I don't like it, what's the problem?

Yes to me 'Rockafeller Street' sound like the average ESC song with some schlager, some pop and some dance-disco thrown in. If people hear something else then go ahead.

As for Ithaka, well atleast she doesn't sing about some street that doesn't exists. I didn't call "hopa rei" "inspirational"?.. but doesn't make Getter's lyrics any better though. I'd rather have some nonsense words without meaning thrown together than a complete nonsense text.

Anyways I don't care too much about lyrics, they can both sing whatever, I still don't like this song and that's it but people seem to like it so good for them. To me it's just plastic, it's nothing I've never heard before and I guess my only concern is that people act like it's something unique, which I really can't hear at all.
 

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^No I could actually care less whether someone likes this song or not, I'm just finding your arguments for that case to be quite weak and have challenged them. Is that a problem?

I just fail to understand why you'd claim Rockefeller Street is a run of the mill type of song with stupid lyrics and then in the same breath say Ithaka would've been better. Ithaka brought a tired rock rhythm with repetitive lyrics - there was nothing original about it - certainly nothing more than Rockefeller Street.

If you don't care about the lyrics, then why mention lyrics? I guess we can stand to backtrack till we have nothing more to say.
 

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^No I could actually care less whether someone likes this song or not, I'm just finding your arguments for that case to be quite weak and have challenged them. Is that a problem?

I just fail to understand why you'd claim Rockefeller Street is a run of the mill type of song with stupid lyrics and then in the same breath say Ithaka would've been better. Ithaka brought a tired rock rhythm with repetitive lyrics - there was nothing original about it - certainly nothing more than Rockefeller Street.

If you don't care about the lyrics, then why mention lyrics? I guess we can stand to backtrack till we have nothing more to say.

Wow challenge what? There's nothing to challenge, taste of and interpretation of music is highly subjective mate so no need to bring up that old "challenge your argument" stuff because it's out of place.

I talked about lyrics because if the song is nothing special, then maybe atleast the lyrics could be.

So you don't like Ithaka it's okay, that's your taste (nothing to "challenge"). To me it's more original than the tired ESC disco of this entry though, I have yet to hear a song like Ithaka's in ESC, while 'Rockafeller' and the likes I've heard many times before, but in the end it's all subjective.

I knew I would be in trouble questioning the fan favorite of the year :lol:- To me it is and always will be just a simple disco song we've heard in ESC million times before, some changes in tempo won't change that really.

That doesn't mean it has to be bad though, sometimes I can like those type of entries aswell, but not so much in this case and there's nothing more to it than that really, I just stated my opinion about the song.
 
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Sure there are things to challenge. Such as your classification of this song as a schlager, which it isn't. That's just knowing musical genres. It's not even a disco song either. This is more of an electropop song than any of the things you've listed here. There really isn't much subjectivity in this area, its either a schlager or its not.

Now I could respond more to you about your subjectivity claims because I'm in no way trying to say you are wrong about not liking this song, but I simply don't care to waste my breath and then be misinterpreted again.
 

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Sure there are things to challenge. Such as your classification of this song as a schlager, which it isn't. That's just knowing musical genres. It's not even a disco song either. This is more of an electropop song than any of the things you've listed here. There really isn't much subjectivity in this area, its either a schlager or its not.

And you are the source we have to ask what genre what song is?? How could I forget about that... next time I will ask YOU if my interpretation of music or the feeling I get out of it is correct or not.

I am listening alot to electropop and indie stuff usually, this is SO NOT it imo. To me this is very ESC-que sounding, very disco-pop we've heard many times before.

Now you don't have to agree with me on that. If you interpret this song as "electropop" then go ahead and to me it's a simple disco-dance pop song. There's really nothing right or wrong here, genres do often blend into eachother one way or another and I don't think there's a strict rule saying what is what really.

Now we just interpret this song differently, I certainly see it as a much simplier song than people are making it look like. It doesn't have to mean that it's directly bad though, but it's really not groundbreaking by any means and to me it sounds repeated and plastic and something we've had in the contest many times before.

But I can only speak about my own subjective feeling when I hear music and if people think this is unique or whatever it's not up to me to decide whether it's correct or not, just as it's not up to you to try to question my subjective idea on this song.

Anyways there's not much to discuss really. I am not that impressed by the song and I don't find it that unique people find it and that's just it.
 
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Am I the only one NOT liking this song? :shock:

Everytime I hear I'm still schocked at some words people use to describe it (original, modern)... what's original and modern in this?? To me it sounds like 100 other ESC songs from the past, if you look past the change in tempo (which aren't that special) it is a very simple disco-pop-schlager song.
blablabla, if it would have been in Estonian, you would have gone "WOW, what a original and modern song this is".
I can agree that it has a sort of common ESC disco-pop sound to it, but so does Poland, and you do enjoy that one?, right? or is that only because it's in Polish? ;) I've seen other entrys where you've appreciated that genre very much.
And even though I can't hear the "schlager" in it, you apparantly can for some reason, but again, that's also something i've seen you appreciate in other threads. You're not very consistant, are you? Except for when it comes to songs performed in their native language :D

And finally, Lyrics? i'll be damned. Is there ANY song that has meaningfull and deep lyrics in them this year? I'm serious, because I'd like to know, because I haven't heard any yet, or I've missed it completely, due to neglect or language barriers. To me, most songs have as useless content in their lyrics as Saade, only most other songs use a few more words.
 
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@ A-lister

You are not the only one...i don't like it too :)
I am trying to find out why people are so crazy about this song, but I really can't...in my opinion, this song is very childish, and also something that we had a chance to see a lot of times before...there is nothing modern and original in this song...
 
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blablabla, if it would have been in Estonian, you would have gone "WOW, what a original and modern song this is".

This is simply not true. The song is childish to me and very generic, native language would not change much. Modern and original!?!? There's nothing modern and original near this song!! Yes, native language might have made it more interesting, but that's it about it. I have never said that using native languages makes songs more modern, perhaps in a context of only English obviously it could be more original based on the different language alone, but then I'm referring to the use of language and not style of song.

I can agree that it has a sort of common ESC disco-pop sound to it, but so does Poland, and you do enjoy that one?, right? or is that only because it's in Polish? ;) I've seen other entrys where you've appreciated that genre very much.

What's disco-pop in Poland's entry? To me it sounds like a contemporary pop song with some urban touch to it. It doesn't even sound like an ESC song to me. But I never acted like it's some sort of original unique song though, unlike how people act about the Estonian one. I think the Estonian and Polish entry are quite different from eachother actually.

And even though I can't hear the "schlager" in it, you apparantly can for some reason, but again, that's also something i've seen you appreciate in other threads. You're not very consistant, are you?

Yes I can hear some schlager in this, mixed with other styles aswell. What's "inconsistent"? Sometimes we like some songs, sometimes we doesn't like some. So if you like Pop you like every Pop song there is? I doubt that! I just don't like this song and I was just questioning why people find it so "unique and original" because I can't hear that at all. Maybe there's something wrong with my ears?, but to me this song is very simple, childish and generic and to me it simply sounds like something I've heard before. Does it mean I hate all songs in this genre (or similar genres)? Absolutely not, but as I said some songs we like some songs we don't it's nothing strange really, I bet you like some from the same genre and dislike some from the same based on other criterias.

When I was discussing how it sounded to me it wasn't a critique towards particular genres, it was my way of expressing why I don't find this original song that people are talking about, I simply can't hear that. When I read some comments I feel like I've heard a totally different song. It's not really about liking or disliking certain genres, but I don't put this at some sort of pedestal making it look like something it is not.

But offcourse if people like it (which obviously most do) and find it that "original" or whatever then it's up to them, I'm not the one to decide how people should interpret music, I was just pointing out my opinion on the song.
 
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This is simply not true. The song is childish to me and very generic, native language would not change much. Modern and original!?!? There's nothing modern and original near this song!! Yes, native language might have made it more interesting, but that's it about it. I have never said that using native languages makes songs more modern, perhaps in a context of only English obviously it could be more original based on the different language alone, but then I'm referring to the use of language and not style of song.
But what if Ithaka's song would have been in English? Would you like it? ;)
 

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But what if Ithaka's song would have been in English? Would you like it? ;)

Actually just as pointed out there's not much lyrics in Ithaka's song as it is :lol:

I would still like it more than Rockafeller for sure, but yeah some of what makes the song interesting would get lost, I think Estonian language sounds very cool in music generally I have to say. But I like that song because it's like a mix between Shakira and Apocalyptica, it's not something I'd hear everyday atleast.

Anyways now Getter has been chosen and there's not much to do about that fact. Urban Symphony remains my favorite Estonian entry of all time and I also like the old Estonian ones by Maarja.

Hopefully next year we'll get something in Estonian and little bit out of the box again :mrgreen:
 
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I'm with A-lister. I was happy when Getter won, because I tuned in late to the final and missed Ithaka, but even then I didn't think Rockefeller Street was anything more than your typical Eurovision dance-pop song. I don't dislike it, but didn't think it was a challenger to win the whole thing. Don't know about Schlager, because i have no idea what it is. Never heard that term before I joined this forum.

Once I looked up Ithaka Maria on youtube I liked it instantly - from the moment the bass started. It has a great intensity to it and may have lost a bit of that if it was in English.
 

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Although it's not my style of music, I think this is one of the best entries of this year and it will certainly end up high in the final. I bet it will be 1st, 2nd or 3rd place.
 

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@ A-lister

You are not the only one...i don't like it too :)
I am trying to find out why people are so crazy about this song, but I really can't...in my opinion, this song is very childish, and also something that we had a chance to see a lot of times before...there is nothing modern and original in this song...

xgood
 

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Right, Rockefeller Street is schlager all of a sudden... :lol:

I'm sure the depth of Ithaka Maria's lyrics would've been mind blowing.
Hopaparei was about some troll giving Ithaka Maria magical words which she annoyingly repeats for over 2 minutes.
Inspirational....:rolleyes:

Beg you pardon: This song remindes me a lot of the songs of all the girls with big breasts during in the 80ties like Sabrina or Samantha Fox. Just invest a bit time in music history and you will find some of the songs that maybe were used for fishing ideas. I still admit, that this song sounds modern, but it isn`t that original als you might think.

By the way: Am I mistake or is the album version a bit different. There are some strange backward pieces mixed in.
 
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