Denmark DENMARK 2023 - Reiley - Breaking My Heart

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[crashworld]

Only people who think that Heartstopper is the best show ever will vote for Denmark.

LOL. There ARE HOARDS of them (RE: Heartstopper). So Denmark is not that chanceless if based on that logic?

I actually thought this song is more for "Love, Victor" season 4.

 

[I bims]

I don't know much about Reiley but I have seen comments online implying he has a big Tiktok following. Is this true and would it be enough of a following to get him the votes he'd need to qualify?

He has 10 Million Followers on TikTok. That's indeed a lot. But doesn't mean anything automatically. People casually scroll through TikTok, watch a few seconds of the clips, follow, like and the move on. It doesn't really translate into votes and people following a call to action. A lot of those followers are also based in Asia. So even if he dominates the international vote in the Semit it's still just 12 points.

That being said I still think he will qualify and I'm quite certain in that prediction. But it won't be because of his followers.

 

[Betwixt Tales]

....He also played Breaking My Heart at a concert in South Korea some time last year, way before it was allowed, but the EBU was chill with it because it wasn't in Europe.

That is incorrect. It was played in October, and the rules are that it can't have been played public prior to September.

 

[I bims]

That is incorrect. It was played in October, and the rules are that it can't have been played public prior to September.

Yeah he broke the rules of the danish nf not Eurovision. But the broadcaster didn't care because when he performed the song it had a different name and different lyrics (my personal assumption is that it was in korean not english). And he wouldn't have an advantage based on that one time performance.

 

[Betwixt Tales]

Yeah he broke the rules of the danish nf not Eurovision. But the broadcaster didn't care because when he performed the song it had a different name and different lyrics (my personal assumption is that it was in korean not english). And he wouldn't have an advantage based on that one time performance.

I'll admit to not knowing what the rules are specifically in DMGP, but it seems weird if they have a different set of rules for validity than the ESC, as far as this goes.

(It was in English back then, too. I've seen footage of it. )

 

[AndroZeus]

I'll admit to not knowing what the rules are specifically in DMGP, but it seems weird if they have a different set of rules for validity than the ESC, as far as this goes.

(It was in English back then, too. I've seen footage of it. )

They have their own set of more specific rules.

 

[MopManMoss]

I don't know much about Reiley but I have seen comments online implying he has a big Tiktok following. Is this true and would it be enough of a following to get him the votes he'd need to qualify?

I think his TikTok following will be irrelevant, just look at how many likes comments and views he gets compared to his following and The most active of his fans are South Korean anyway

 

[MopManMoss]

I'll admit to not knowing what the rules are specifically in DMGP, but it seems weird if they have a different set of rules for validity than the ESC, as far as this goes.

(It was in English back then, too. I've seen footage of it. )

Well DMGP had no issue with Beautiful Bullshit which would have been ineligible under Eurovision rules

 

[Betwixt Tales]

Well DMGP had no issue with Beautiful Bullshit which would have been ineligible under Eurovision rules

Exactly. That's my only knowledge of differences in the rules. They (apparently) don't have issues with profanities at DMGP, but it's not allowed at ESC.

 

[MopManMoss]

Exactly. That's my only knowledge of differences in the rules. They (apparently) don't have issues with profanities at DMGP, but it's not allowed at ESC.

The only other national final I can think of with an obvious rule difference from Eurovision is melfest allowing 7 people on stage

 

[AndroZeus]

If I remember correctly (I read the DMGP rules pretty closely last year before sending in an application), the difference regarding when the song can be performed is that you can't perform your entry anywhere until DR has given you explicit permission to do so.

 

[I bims]

The only other national final I can think of with an obvious rule difference from Eurovision is melfest allowing 7 people on stage

Should Sweden win this year, I can see that SVT would push for a change to allow up to 7 people in the contest. I don't know why they only allow 6.

 

[empo21]

The venues are getting smaller, the stages are getting smaller. Pre-recorded vocals are allowed. I don't see a compelling argument to raise the max head count on stage even if it's by one person.

 

[I bims]

The venues are getting smaller, the stages are getting smaller. Pre-recorded vocals are allowed. I don't see a compelling argument to raise the max head count on stage even if it's by one person.

I don't see a compelling argument against it. There are groups with more than 6 members that have to decide who has to stay off stage, that alone is just bullshit, even if it is rare. More people on stage allow for more diverse acts and performances.

And even the smaller stages look empty with just 6 people there, limits the way you can use the camera, so we have to get shots that are quite close and don't show the stage. I've seen footage on youtube that made me realize how much cool lighting stuff and stage details we TV viewers don't get to see because the stage is just empty and they cover it up with the close camera angles.

 

[AndroZeus]

The venues are getting smaller, the stages are getting smaller. Pre-recorded vocals are allowed. I don't see a compelling argument to raise the max head count on stage even if it's by one person.

Main argument for me apart from what I bims mentioned: Six backup dancers looks SO much better for a lot of songs.

 

[MopManMoss]

Main argument for me apart from what I bims mentioned: Six backup dancers looks SO much better for a lot of songs.

But if symmetry is the reasoning you could equally reduce the amount on stage to 5

 

[AndroZeus]

But if symmetry is the reasoning you could equally reduce the amount on stage to 5

I didn't say symmetry. Six looks better than four. The dancing at Melodifestivalen looks much better than at ESC.

 

[Betwixt Tales]

If I remember correctly (I read the DMGP rules pretty closely last year before sending in an application), the difference regarding when the song can be performed is that you can't perform your entry anywhere until DR has given you explicit permission to do so.

Oh, my god, that's so cool that you did that!

I've read that they can ignore certain parts of their rules, but that it will be a case-by-case decision if they do so, and that all decisions are final and can't be appealed. But I'm pretty sure those were rules from 2020 that I read, so whether that's changed is the question.

 

[Betwixt Tales]

Should Sweden win this year, I can see that SVT would push for a change to allow up to 7 people in the contest. I don't know why they only allow 6.

They had to put the limit somewhere. But if it's a music group/group of singers, they will allow more on stage, it's only the limit with backup dancers, I believe.
Back when backing vocals had to be live too, they would sometimes place those people backstage, so only their vocals could be heard, making room for dancers on stage, if you remember that?

 

[MopManMoss]

I didn't say symmetry. Six looks better than four. The dancing at Melodifestivalen looks much better than at ESC.

You didn’t know but a lot of people that like the melfest stage rule like it because it makes performances look symmetrical