Azerbaijan AZERBAIJAN 2016 - Samra Rahimli - Miracle

[Sammy]

Her jury rehearsal was abysmal, by far the worst one so far. There's no way that the juries would have this outside their bottom 3 without lots of bribing...

If you compared it to these.... where about would you rank her performance? Just to give us an impression...

Though I personally think that not all of the entries featured in this videos were really out of tune.

 

[PashonFrut]

Her jury rehearsal was abysmal, by far the worst one so far. There's no way that the juries would have this outside their bottom 3 without lots of bribing...

Again the usual sh*t throwing with bribing accusations...

 

[CatEye]

If you compared it to these.... where about would you rank her performance? Just to give us an impression...

Somewhere between Moldova 2006 and Luxembourg 1984.

 

[CatEye]

Again the usual sh*t throwing with bribing accusations...

The EBU confirmed that there were indeed bought SIm votes that favored Azerbaijan, although they claimed that those weren't counted. But I don't trust them, considering in how many small countries their previous entries before the 2013 fiasco won the televote. Like in 2012, when their song won the Cypriot televote, with only SMS votes and no significant number of stacionary phone votes.
And as of the juries, do I need to remind you of who got Malta's 12 votes 4 times in a row and after the scandal everything one of a sudden stopped.

 

[PashonFrut]

I don't know if it's armenians, but if it's armenians I'm tired of them:

1. They spam the Azerbaijani youtube sections on youtube and dislikes the video no matter what it is, and many of them also pretends to be from a another country, because I recognized one for the horrible english. Don't know if it really was him/her, but I believe so. They have done it for like many years now, especially after 2014 with that balaban/duduk national instrument things.

2. On polls everywhere they keep spamming up Armenia (I love Armenia this year), but they make it look unrealistic sometimes. On Wiwibloggs now wiwibloggs have a red carpet thing where Samra has 107 thumbs up and 816 thumbs down?!

I wrote this really fast, so sorry for bad english.. I'm not saying all armenians does this, but it's pretty obvious the childish things... maybe tune down a little bit so it don't seems so obvious about the disliking missions.

I have noticed it as well. People have way too much time on their hands.

 

[PashonFrut]

The EBU confirmed that there were indeed bought SIm votes that favored Azerbaijan, although they claimed that those weren't counted. But I don't trust them, considering in how many small countries their previous entries before the 2013 fiasco won the televote. Like in 2012, when their song won the Cypriot televote, with only SMS votes and no significant number of stacionary phone votes.
And as of the juries, do I need to remind you of who got Malta's 12 votes 4 times in a row and after the scandal everything one of a sudden stopped.

Source? Link? You don't need to remind me of anything. I don't live by your logic. Malta granted 12 points for very solid entries. This is just sh*it throwing and it's getting old.

 

[Brandt]

I would like to see a source that EBU didn't count votes for Azerbaijan because they were bought indeed.

I also have suspicions about it for previous years but accusing as if it is something proven is beyond ethic.

 

[CatEye]

Source? Link? You don't need to remind me of anything. I don't live by your logic. Malta granted 12 points for very solid entries. This is just sh*it

Here you go sweetie
https://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/eurovision-voting-2012-did-azerbaijan-cheat/
And the other file from EBU is also somwehre online. When I'll find it I'll post it. I remember that they published months after ESC 2013, when the media stopped talking to it. It esulted in the full split voting getting published and EBU can penlize now broadcasters even if they cannot directly connect the individual broadcaster to the bought SIM votes.
ANyway, there's a reason why since the fiasco they are keeping a lower profile at ESC and moved from " we want to win" to "being in the final is good enough" mode

edit: here's a link to what I said about the 2013 fiasco
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26081002

 

[Brandt]

^Hun,

None of this has been confirmed by the EBU, at this point it is speculation with some circumstantial evidence!

 

[Sammy]

Somewhere between Moldova 2006 and Luxembourg 1984.

OMG that sounds really dramatic! :shock:

 

[Luki]

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

Cat Eye, learn to quote the posts.

 

[PashonFrut]

Here you go sweetie
https://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/eurovision-voting-2012-did-azerbaijan-cheat/
And the other file from EBU is also somwehre online. When I'll find it I'll post it. I remember that they published months after ESC 2013, when the media stopped talking to it. It esulted in the full split voting getting published and EBU can penlize now broadcasters even if they cannot directly connect the individual broadcaster to the bought SIM votes.
ANyway, there's a reason why since the fiasco they are keeping a lower profile at ESC and moved from " we want to win" to "being in the final is good enough" mode

edit: here's a link to what I said about the 2013 fiasco
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26081002

Aw well thank you sweetie. I wish you read the articles first before posting them here. I'm quoting from your last link: ''It added there was no evidence to link Azeri broadcasters to the activity.''

There you go mon cherie. Now if you want to live in your bubble that's fine by me but what you have provided does not count as a source.

 

[CatEye]

^Hun,

As I said they confirmed votes towards the entry, but couldn't link them directly to the broadcaster. And as seen by the EBU, they don't follow their rules that much. Already a few jury votes were disqualified and no country was disqualified so far.

 

[CatEye]

Aw well thank you sweetie. I wish you read the articles first before posting them here. I'm quoting from your last link: ''It added there was no evidence to link Azeri broadcasters to the activity.''

There you go mon cherie. Now if you want to live in your bubble that's fine by me but what you have provided does not count as a source.

The one living in bubble is you. It's like saying that people who shop lift are just forgetting that they didn't pay and you cna not prove that they actually wanted to steal anything

 

[PashonFrut]

The one living in bubble is you. It's like saying that people who shop lift are just forgetting that they didn't pay and you cna not prove that they actually wanted to steal anything

I speak facts not bs analogies. Your link confirms my statement: no evidence to link Azeri broadcasters to the activity.

 

[CatEye]

I speak facts not bs analogies. Your link confirms my statement: no evidence to link Azeri broadcasters to the activity.

I said the same thing, but you dismissed the most important thing in my comment. They found evidence that there were actual attempts of mass voting towards the AZERBAIJANI ENTRY. They just couldn't link it the bradcaster, even though I hardly doubt that anyone else would do it. Here's the full quote

Azerbaijan was accused of trying to buy votes from jurors and members of the public taking part in the telephone poll during last year's event in Malmo, with Lithuanian students alleged to have been paid to dial in.

The EBU's inquiry concluded that attempts had been made to influence the vote but did not "succeed" due to security procedures already in place.

I have big doubts that they were that succseful when it comes to declaring which votes are valid and which not, considering that among those valid votes is even that Cypriot televote where Greece placed 2nd after Azerbaijan, with just SMS votes and no registered stacionary televotes.

That being said, as I said before Azerbaijan as so far oved on. They no longer interested in hosting this, nor re they fighting for top spots. But their jury votes are still fishy, just look up the ones they had in the last few years. It's like someone gave the jury a ranking on what they should vote for. It's beyond me why that one wasn't disqualfied, while those of Macedonia, Montenegro and Georgia were.

 

[PashonFrut]

I said the same thing, but you dismissed the most important thing in my comment. They found evidence that there were actual attempts of mass voting towards the AZERBAIJANI ENTRY. They just couldn't link it the bradcaster, even though I hardly doubt that anyone else would to it.
I have big doubts that they were that succseful when it comes to declaring which votes are valid and which not, considering thaz among those valid votes is even that Cypriot televote where Greece placed 2nd after Azerbaijan, with just SMS votes and no registered stacionary votes.

''The most important thing in your comment'' does not have evidence to support it. Here's what you said:

The EBU confirmed that there were indeed bought SIm votes that favored Azerbaijan, although they claimed that those weren't counted. But I don't trust them, considering in how many small countries their previous entries before the 2013 fiasco won the televote.

You said it yourself, those votes weren't counted as stated by EBU. You are questioning EBU's stand on this, however you fail to provide reasonable arguments favouring your statement. Accusation does not equal guilt. You are fighting facts with speculation.

Enough said.

 

[CatEye]

''The most important thing in your comment'' does not have evidence to support it. Here's what you said:


You said it yourself, those votes weren't counted as stated by EBU. You are questioning EBU's stand on this, however you fail to provide reasonable arguments favouring your statement. Accusation does not equal guilt. You are fighting facts with speculation.

The Cypriot televote wasn't enough evidence? A landslide SMS winner in a small country, that is known to vote for their neighbour on almost every occasion and that for a song that in general doesn't appeal that much to the wider public, escpeically in Southern Europe?
And the reason why I don't trust them is because they didn't give any reply in 2012, when the Cypriot broadcaster informed them about this. It wasn't until 2013, when sh*t hit the fan and it was all over the news.
If they already reacted back in 2010, when Finland's jury confirmed that they were approched with a point swap in the jury vote(not with Azerbaijan though, it was a country from the same semi) or in 2011 when both the Estonian and Austrian juries said that several people wanted a deal with them to exchange point, then I would trust them more. Such thins need to be adressed, not just swept under the rug with hopes that no one will notice them. Same goes with the fishy jury votes that were disqualified in the last two years.
In a way I'm glad all of this happened, we got trasnparent voting after being left several years in the dark and now it's harder(but not impossible) to do such stuff, unlike with the votes of let's say 2013 which tell you almost nothing and make cheating very very easy.

 

[VikingTiger]

Azerbaijan surprises me this year. Year after year they have brought good or very good shows to the ESC. This year the song is better than usual (imo). But the vocals are definitely not good enough. And I dont find the show very tasteful at all. Samra's clothes, the dancers, the lightning - I think everything could have been done a lot better. I think this song would fit a more classy performance.