Anonymous Poll re: Voting

[pras]

No, Because I have no friends.

 

[doctormalisimo]

Well I've only been a part of NSC for 3 editions, so I don't really know anyone enough to be biased. In fact, those 3 finals, I've voted for 29 nations
I'll stop showing off now.

 

[berlyda]

Simply said the sender of a song influences the points given at some level. There are 3 things which influence the decision of at least 90% of people here related to countries:
1. Familiarity with the song. Believe it or not, but people tend to like songs which they have listened more than once, if you get shown a song by someone in msn or have voted in an nf you are already favouring a song more due to the actions of a person (eg him/her presenting you the song while some other person didn't do it) ==> people's action influence how their song is done.
2. Secondly a perhaps more controversial point, but I still think it goes for pretty much all of the long time people here. Anyway the thing is that most people have favourite artists and not all of the songs by the same artist are equally good. When our favourite artist has a bit weaker song, we still might like it (or at least aren't as critical towards it as to some random song by a random artist). Our brain psychologically wants to protect and affirm our decision that our favourite artist is good and tries to make us believe that even the not so good songs are decent. Well what's my point? Replace your favourite artist with your favourite country and you'll get more or less the same.
3. You actually pay more attention to something if you expect it to be good ==> songs from good countries get more attention.

So yes, the song is not totally independent from a country, but that is not due to the must vote for someone or else they hate me thing. (It might be that too in some cases)

Agree totally! It can often work the other way too though:

1. As Irish-Sean said, if you have heard a song a lot, you may be inclined to give it fewer points because it's already had its time in the spotlight
2. As Andrea said, you might become aware that you're giving certain "favourite" countries points almost every edition, and so you might try to find reasons to give points to other countries instead, even when you may actually prefer the songs from your "favourite" countries.
3. A song can often be overhyped by the person sending it and/or others who like it. This may result in you expecting it to be way better than it actually is, so that when you hear it, disappointment clouds your judgement and makes you rate it worse than you otherwise would.

The brain is a funny old thing
I guess what i'm trying to say is that we shouldn't worry about subconscious bias, because there's nothing we can do about it in the end really. But it's fun to discuss nonetheless ^^

As Liam pointed out, we really are straying from the point of the poll though. This poll is all about CONSCIOUS decisions to vote for friends because of bribery, blackmail, cba listening to the songs or whatever.

 

[berlyda]

Well I've only been a part of NSC for 3 editions, so I don't really know anyone enough to be biased. In fact, those 3 finals, I've voted for 29 nations
I'll stop showing off now.

Which one did you vote for twice?

 

[doctormalisimo]

Which one did you vote for twice?

Waloria.

 

[twister]

Waloria.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwh

 

[zechhh]

Wow, you cheater.

 

[VedatiNet]

Just to make more drama.
Would you give point/s to a country that you know that no matter what you send that country NEVER would give points to you?

 

[Cooler]

Just to make more drama.
Would you give point/s to a country that you know that no matter what you send that country NEVER would give points to you?

Yes, and I did

P.S. Didn't vote in poll yet, I've to analyse my votes so far.

 

[94ayd]

Yes, I've given points to Waloria but have probably got none in return.

 

[Liam]

The results of this poll are out btw... I didn't forget about this thread I just wanted to let the heat die down a little. The real purpose of this thread was to highlight the problem and hopefully make people see some sense. Now we have people boycotting songs so it seems like this issue can't be resolved now. I HOPE people mature but I see no reason to keep talking about an unresolvable issue when there are still some idiots in this contest who ruin it for the rest when they feel that they are too good for the rules. Have fun in your little friendship voting and boycotting groups - I don't want to be in them! We'll wait for this editions results. And please bear in mind I'm not accusing everyone, I just know for a fact this is a problem whether people admit it or not - it's just a shame a handful of people make it so big. You know who you are, and everyone else does... so grow up!

 

[Schlagerman1]

^ But according to the poll, this ain't a big problem at all..We have 2 that says that they do and 8 that sort of, "know" about of these two...and even if they were more, the procentage of this poll just shows that it is something that we can't or won't care to do something about.

And what can we do? I mean we have no proof of this happening and as long as we don't have any contracts or other agreements showing this, then we can't force people out because of rumours. I think that we all vote for our friends more or less, but I mainly believe that the song is the most important thing for us when voting!

 

[zechhh]

Who even cares?

It's a song contest for fun so let's have fun.

 

[JackBauer]

I don't vote for friends, but i do have my favorites countries, mostly Zapyra, Pigeon island & Zoidiac, i often find their songs very good so they often gain a lot of points from me

Sometimes when i have to decide with a PI's song & another entry for 5 & 4 points most of the times PI will win the tie because of that even if i don't really think about it, i just do it.

And there is some countries who are unlikely to get my votes because their style of songs are not in my taste like Balearica Island & Halito and still i think it gave Halito 12 one time and points a few times and voted one or two times for Balerica Island in our NSC comon history

Anyway the only people i talked from time to time about other stuff from NSC are from QuienDQ; Kostanovia (Hey Liam, How are you by the way, we haven't talk for some times now, hope you're well ) & Zapyra and i don't think that plays a part in my votes. They have been in and out of my top ten for a long time.

I do think a few people tend to vote for the same countries but i think most of them are like me and have their favorites, because let's face it; take one or two song per decades we often send the same kind of songs lol

 

[Cooler]

Who even cares?

It's a song contest for fun so let's have fun.

That actually IS! the problem - no one cares

 

[Liam]

^ But according to the poll, this ain't a big problem at all..We have 2 that says that they do and 8 that sort of, "know" about of these two...and even if they were more, the procentage of this poll just shows that it is something that we can't or won't care to do something about.

And what can we do? I mean we have no proof of this happening and as long as we don't have any contracts or other agreements showing this, then we can't force people out because of rumours. I think that we all vote for our friends more or less, but I mainly believe that the song is the most important thing for us when voting!

That's what I mean, no one will admit to it so it's clearly an unsolvable problem I just posted my final thoughts, and as long as I'm not part of any voting groups I don't care anymore