Albania ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Fairytale

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

This song is too complicated in Albanian. Even if I like it and would have nothing against it staying in Albanian, I doubt that people or juries in Europe will get the song if it stays in it.

People said the same about "Suus", and as already discussed it's the most successful Albanian entry to date and there's a reason for that... and also way more "complicated" song than this is even. I can't believe that we still to this date have this false impression that most of Europe has English as second language and that ESC is a poetry contest and not a music contest.

 

[Schlagerman1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

People said the same about "Suus", and as already discussed it's the most successful Albanian entry to date and there's a reason for that... and also way more "complicated" song than this is even. I can't believe that we still to this date have this false impression that most of Europe has English as second language and that ESC is a poetry contest and not a music contest.

Well, I have said in the past that all songs doesn't work in English, some songs are absolutely much better in their own language. "Suus" for example is a song that would have sound like a big joke if it was in English, it was much more dramatic and amazing as it was. I don't know what the songwriter and Eneda is thinking when it comes to the translation, but if it were up to me, I would do it more rockish with still some dramatic albanian feeling to it. And I agree with you, on many occasions singers choose to sing in english when it is not even suitable either for singer or the song, and that is sad. Still I think that it is for the songmaker and singer to choose, and I don't blame them for choosing to go for English, after all, it is a competition and the only way to get people from other countries to vote is to understand what the song is about.

There are just a few countries that really can sing in their own language and do well (if we exclude UK, Ireland and Malta). That is Italy, Russia and some of the ex-yugsoslav and ex-ussr countries. Italian is one of the most popular languages in the world and they have done very well despite no english at all (2015 for example). Russian is also spoken among many former soviet countries, so Russia for example has an advantage as well (those times the go with Russian), even a few of the other USSR-countries languages, like Ukrainian and Belarussian, has similarities and can do good. Almost all the former yugoslav countries also has similar languages, which make it easier to understand between each other.

Sure we will see a few countries coming high up every now and then singing their own language, and that is great and important, but the fact is that English has become 2nd or 3rd language in many countries all around Europe, whether we like it or not.

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

I was litteraly stunned when I saw Albania in the top 5 in 2012 because most of the ESC-fan didn't understand a single word in Albanian I mean.

 

[Schlagerman1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

I was litteraly stunned when I saw Albania in the top 5 in 2012 because most of the ESC-fan didn't understand a single word in Albanian I mean.

Me too. I even hated the song prior to the contest, and then, when she came up in the semifinal....I was completly blown away by her. Guess I wasn't alone.

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

Me too. I even hated the song prior to the contest, and then, when she came up in the semifinal....I was completly blown away by her. Guess I wasn't alone.

There were absolutely no need to await her performing in the semi-final, the song was amazing prior to the ESC.

 

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

Well, I have said in the past that all songs doesn't work in English, some songs are absolutely much better in their own language. "Suus" for example is a song that would have sound like a big joke if it was in English, it was much more dramatic and amazing as it was. I don't know what the songwriter and Eneda is thinking when it comes to the translation, but if it were up to me, I would do it more rockish with still some dramatic albanian feeling to it. And I agree with you, on many occasions singers choose to sing in english when it is not even suitable either for singer or the song, and that is sad. Still I think that it is for the songmaker and singer to choose, and I don't blame them for choosing to go for English, after all, it is a competition and the only way to get people from other countries to vote is to understand what the song is about.

There are just a few countries that really can sing in their own language and do well (if we exclude UK, Ireland and Malta). That is Italy, Russia and some of the ex-yugsoslav and ex-ussr countries. Italian is one of the most popular languages in the world and they have done very well despite no english at all (2015 for example). Russian is also spoken among many former soviet countries, so Russia for example has an advantage as well (those times the go with Russian), even a few of the other USSR-countries languages, like Ukrainian and Belarussian, has similarities and can do good. Almost all the former yugoslav countries also has similar languages, which make it easier to understand between each other.

Sure we will see a few countries coming high up every now and then singing their own language, and that is great and important, but the fact is that English has become 2nd or 3rd language in many countries all around Europe, whether we like it or not.

Yeah because ESC is known for its "brilliant" English lyrics...

I thought this was a pan-European music contest and not an English poetry night contest, but maybe I was mistaken. I don't agree with your argumentation though, it's just that we have Euro-hating juries onboard that will break songs that doesn't fit their norm. Broadcasters are simply afraid to send what they would want to send.

Half of Europe (or even more) don't even have English as second language, so this is just a myth. I always assumed viewers of ESC to be more open-minded, but if not even the fans are then we have an issue and the Anglophilians pretty much won their hijacking of the contest so congrats to them.

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

It's time to restore the "national language" rule for each countries, despite the fact that I don't think it'll bring better results than 2010's one.

 

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

It's time to restore the "national language" rule for each countries, despite the fact that I don't think it'll bring better results than 2010's one.

Or maybe kick out the juries? Or atleast give them new guidelines in what to look for in songs? The problem is though that EBU has a vision of commercialize and "Anglophile" the contest (that's why we have Australia in for instance) so I don't see any changes being made. This simply turned from a celebration of Europe to something completely different in the past years, and it's really sad.

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

Or maybe kick out the juries? Or atleast give them new guidelines in what to look for in songs? The problem is though that EBU has a vision of commercialize and "Anglophile" the contest (that's why we have Australia in for instance) so I don't see any changes being made. This simply turned from a celebration of Europe to something completely different in the past years, and it's really sad.

Though we all hate juries not to have let Italy won in 2015 (that was exactly the same in 2011 but with the televote...), it'll be kind of useful to have them along with the televote but with a dicreased power in the results when they split it.
As an example, we could have 30% of juries and 70% of televote in the final scoreboard, I mean, It'd satisfy a lot of people here .

 

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

Though we all hate juries not to have let Italy won in 2015 (that was exactly the same in 2011 but with the televote...), it'll be kind of useful to have them along with the televote but with a dicreased power in the results when they split it.
As an example, we could have 30% of juries and 70% of televote in the final scoreboard, I mean, It'd satisfy a lot of people here .

I don't hate them for it, Italy 2015 wasn't good imo

But I dislike them from a more general perspective, and they have even MORE powers than televoters (50/50 is not true, it's only on paper, but due to the ranking system juries have a power to manipulate the results even further).

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

I don't hate them for it, Italy 2015 wasn't good imo

But I dislike them from a more general perspective, and they have even MORE powers than televoters (50/50 is not true, it's only on paper, but due to the ranking system juries have a power to manipulate the results even further).

I do agree with you on this point, because when we focus on the split results of 2015's edition, something is going wrong.
Albania was almost ranked by ALL the JURIES at the bottom of the scoreboard whereas the televote did place her at the top, and the shape of the ranking was exactly the same : 25/26/23/24/27, and that's very suspicious to my mind...

However, that'd be unfair to forbide them voting in the grand final because the results won't be often judged as they should be. Moreover, they've always saved my country since 2012 !

 

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

I do agree with you on this point, because when we focus on the split results of 2015's edition, something is going wrong.
Albania was almost ranked by ALL the JURIES at the bottom of the scoreboard whereas the televote did place her at the top, and the shape of the ranking was exactly the same : 25/26/23/24/27, and that's very suspicious to my mind...

However, that'd be unfair to forbide them voting in the grand final because the results won't be often judged as they should be. Moreover, they've always saved my country since 2012 !

As long as juries are manipulating results and vote in favor of a vision (to exclude native languages and local styles), then they have no place in ESC.

 

[John1]

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As long as juries are manipulating results and vote in favor of a vision (to exclude native languages and local styles), then they have no place in ESC.

The idea of shrinking juries is more pleasant.

 

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

The idea of shrinking juries is more pleasant.

This I agree with, but won't happen because EBU has an agenda here unfortunately.

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

This I agree with, but won't happen because EBU has an agenda here unfortunately.

Yes indeed. Although I think there are more important problems in ESC's organisation when it concerns of having given up the random draw order and having let the supervisors choosing the "best draw" for the countries which are underrated. However, with that new brillant idea, Albania was stucked between Russia and Italy.

 

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

Yes indeed. Although I think there are more important problems in ESC's organisation when it concerns of having given up the random draw order and having let the supervisors choosing the "best draw" for the countries which are underrated. However, with that new brillant idea, Albania was stucked between Russia and Italy.

These are just further additions to give EBU more power and less power to the viewers.

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

These are just further additions to give EBU more power and less power to the viewers.

The EBU embodies the unfairness then.

 

[A-lister]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

The EBU embodies the unfairness then.

Bingo!

Anyways I hope Albania learned from the success of "Suus" and doesn't sell out again this time, but yeah risk of having it in English and it loosing its soul is big.

 

[John1]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

Bingo!

Anyways I hope Albania learned from the success of "Suus" and doesn't sell out again this time, but yeah risk of having it in English and it loosing its soul is big.

If Suus was sung instead of "I'm Alive" (which I love so much), it'd have ended up very high in my opinion.

 

[cassio]

Re: ALBANIA 2016 - Eneda Tarifa - Përrallë

Had the winner been a danish entry I would have given it 1 point had the winner song been in english I would have given it 7 p Albania I land on 4 points