Split jury-televote results revealed!

[rajo]

Re: Split jury-televotes results revealed!

I still hope for more countries to reveal their split votes.

 

[RainyWoods]

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We basically lost out on only three countries I believe.. Netherlands, Bulgaria and Switzerland. All three would have only just made it with a pure public vote so the jury did not do anything too extreme. They saved Ukraine, Malta and Hungary who would not have gone through without their help. Looking at it like that, I would much rather have the three the public favoured. The jury helped Rona achieve a nice 5th place though, brought some sanity to Jedwards placing and stopped Anggun from getting zero so im happy with their job this year

 

[A-lister]

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I think if the juries acted more the way you claim that they act, they would've ranked Spain, Azerbaijan, Bosnia and UK with their ballads (considerably) higher than in actuality.

You think Spain and Azerbaijan got low rankings? Top. 5 and top. 10 out of 26 (42) is pretty good imo.

I agree though that I'm surprised that televoters liked UK more than the juries... but then again the UK was kind of dated and conventional, but it wasn't that wailing American Idol stuff the juries like.

 

[A-lister]

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We basically lost out on only three countries I believe.. Netherlands, Bulgaria and Switzerland. All three would have only just made it with a pure public vote so the jury did not do anything too extreme. They saved Ukraine, Malta and Hungary who would not have gone through without their help. Looking at it like that, I would much rather have the three the public favoured. The jury helped Rona achieve a nice 5th place though, brought some sanity to Jedwards placing and stopped Anggun from getting zero so im happy with their job this year

I still think it's a disgrace how so called musical "experts" can put such a mess as Georgia's entry in the top. 10, and leaving out a genuine gem as the Dutch one.

I agree about Jedward though.

 

[EurovisionSmile]

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Oh so this IS European Idol? I didn't know... last time I checked it was Eurovision SONG Contest.

The fact that the juries put that MESS of a song the Georgian entry was in the top. 10, but totally screwed Netherlands and also Bulgaria over, imo proves how infantile they are. They simply ONLY judge live vocals... they couldn't even be bothered if the songs can't even be considered songs or if the singers slaughter ok songs with over-singing (Ukraine and Estonia I look at you!).

I was just expressing an opinion, not into arguing, really. But if you call Ukranian song an 'ok song' I call it rubbish. And if a singer doesn't do his/her job the best they can, than at least the jury must take that into consideration. IMO, we have enough nonsense with televoting.

 

[A-lister]

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I was just expressing an opinion, not into arguing, really. But if you call Ukranian song an 'ok song' I call it rubbish. And if a singer doesn't do his/her job the best they can, than at least the jury must take that into consideration. IMO, we have enough nonsense with televoting.

I'm not arguing with you, I just think that if this should be treated as a vocal gymnastics contest, then we could use other concepts for that purpose alone.

Of course singers should do as good as they can, but bad songs shouldn't get rewarded just because they have a good live singer and singers over-wailing and over-singing is something only Simon Cowell appreciates (and apparently the ESC juries aswell).

Of course a bad performance shouldn't be rewarded, but why should bad songs (hello Georgia) be rewarded in a song contest?

 

[Mozz]

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You think Spain and Azerbaijan got low rankings? Top. 5 and top. 10 out of 26 (42) is pretty good imo.

I agree though that I'm surprised that televoters liked UK more than the juries... but then again the UK was kind of dated and conventional, but it wasn't that wailing American Idol stuff the juries like.

For Spain and Azerbaijan, I mean even a bit higher.
For Bosnia and UK: considerably higher than where they eventually ranked.

 

[A-lister]

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For Spain and Azerbaijan, I mean even a bit higher.
For Bosnia and UK: considerably higher than where they eventually ranked.

I think they were already overrated in the jury votes, so I can't agree.

As for the UK, I already expressed that I was surprised... but then again it wasn't an American Idol wail type of ballad... so maybe I'm not that surprised afterall. Bosnia wasn't an over-wailing mess either... so.

 

[LakZaNokte]

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Of course a bad performance shouldn't be rewarded, but why should bad songs (hello Georgia) be rewarded in a song contest?

Georgia is the biggest mystery, at least for me.
unbelievable.

what conclusions can we draw from that fact? (remain serious, plz )
are they ignoring lyrics completely? just music and singing? even tho his singing wasn't THAT great.
xwhat

 

[A-lister]

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Georgia is the biggest mystery, at least for me.
unbelievable.

what conclusions can we draw from that fact? (remain serious, plz )
are they ignoring lyrics completely? just music and singing? even tho his singing wasn't THAT great.
xwhat

Well, one conclusion we can draw is that the so called "music experts" either smoke weed or are just not experts at all (I think it's the latter)

Seriously though, it proves they doesn't give a f about this being a song contest, they just bother about the live vocals.

 

[RainyWoods]

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I still think it's a disgrace how so called musical "experts" can put such a mess as Georgia's entry in the top. 10, and leaving out a genuine gem as the Dutch one.

I agree about Jedward though.

Georgia's song makes me laugh in the same way Russia's song does and is very much a guilty pleasure of mine. Jury placing it 8th is weird but you should be happy it did not go through at least. I'm really sad for The Netherlands and Bulgaria but they would have only just managed to have gone through anyway. I very much love Turkey's song musically and the quirky style of Can but I know you hate it. I'm sure that you are very happy with how the jury voted on that one though. I think we are all gonna win some and lose some. There will no doubt be casualties along the way but the jury does even things out and brings a better, more rounded result in my opinion to what it would be otherwise just with televote. I honestly do not trust the public. The Eurovision jury must be on something though as well

 

[LakZaNokte]

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Seriously though, it proves they doesn't give a f about this being a song contest, they just bother about the live vocals.

yeah but in that semi, Lithuania was 10th by juries and IMO, Donny sang very well, better than Anri. in fact, he saved that song.

 

[A-lister]

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Georgia's song makes me laugh in the same way Russia's song does and is very much a guilty pleasure of mine. Jury placing it 8th is weird but you should be happy it did not go through at least. I'm really sad for The Netherlands and Bulgaria but they would have only just managed to have gone through anyway. I very much love Turkey's song musically and the quirky style of Can but I know you hate it. I'm sure that you are very happy with how the jury voted on that one though. I think we are all gonna win some and lose some. There will no doubt be casualties along the way but the jury does even things out and brings a better, more rounded result in my opinion to what it would be otherwise just with televote. I honestly do not trust the public. The Eurovision jury must be on something though as well

I think you're quite alone on Georgia (it ended last in televoting). Of course we all have our personal taste, but in general it was considered a mess of a song (and not at all the cute little gimmick many thought the Russian one was).

I don't like the Turkish entry because the melody and lyrics were infantile. I like Can's style though and the background music... but in that case I speak only out of my personal opinion of course... but in the Georgian case I think I can argue on behalf of a wider public opinion.

 

[EurovisionSmile]

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I'm not arguing with you, I just think that if this should be treated as a vocal gymnastics contest, then we could use other concepts for that purpose alone.

Of course singers should do as good as they can, but bad songs shouldn't get rewarded just because they have a good live singer and singers over-wailing and over-singing is something only Simon Cowell appreciates (and apparently the ESC juries aswell).

Of course a bad performance shouldn't be rewarded, but why should bad songs (hello Georgia) be rewarded in a song contest?

I also agree the song from Georgia was cr*ppy, can't also understand why jury rewarded Ukraine so many points.

What I think is that aside from the song, televoters and jury must (or should) consider how good the performance itself really is and how good singers can stand up for their songs, otherwise, why should EBU even bother to have live shows?
What I honestly think is that both jury and televoting are needed. If you check both their rankings, you will agree and disagree with results. There's not such a thing as 'flawless method' of choosing the winner. I was honestly bored with having only televoters (and all the predictable outcome). And I'm sure I wouldn't be happy with having only the jury as well.

 

[A-lister]

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I also agree the song from Georgia was ********, can't also understand why jury rewarded Ukraine so many pointd.

What I think is that aside from the song, televoters and jury must (or should) consider how good the performance itself really is and how good singers can stand up for their songs otherwise, why should EBU even bother to have live shows?
What I honestly think is that both jury and televoting is needed. If you check both their rankings, you will agree and disagree with results. There's not such a thing as 'flawless method' of choosing the winner. I was honestly bored with having only televoters (and all the predictable outcome). And I'm sure I wouldn't be happy with having only the jury as well.

Yes, but just as a bad performance shouldn't be rewarded, obviously the same should count for bad songs right? I mean afterall it is a song contest, not some vocal karaoke contest (Idol, The Voice, X-Factor). I mean why even have rules for songs if only voices counts? Doesn't make sense to me.

Other than that I partly agree with you.

 

[RainyWoods]

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I think you're quite alone on Georgia (it ended last in televoting). Of course we all have our personal taste, but in general it was considered a mess of a song (and not at all the cute little gimmick many thought the Russian one was).

I don't like the Turkish entry because the melody and lyrics were infantile. I like Can's style though and the background music... but in that case I speak of my personal opinion of course... but in the Georgian case I think I can argue on behalf of a wider public opinion.

Please don't think I regard "I'm A Joker" as some kind of misunderstood musical gem I know it's to put it as politely as I can, abit crap but to me it's one of those soo bad it's actually quite good kind of songs. I should not support it at all as it's the type of song that gives Eurovision a bad name, it's like watching a disaster scene in a movie. I wanna see it!!! To be honest though, I do think musically it's quite... interesting. Anri himself though, thats another matter.

Lyrically Can's song isnt the greatest but I can't say any of the songs impress me lyrically besides Suus. Eurovision is the home of cliché. More than anything I enjoy Eurovision for the quirk, the novelty and the ethnic sounds I would not hear anywhere else. God i'm a bad fan

 

[EurovisionSmile]

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So the televoters were actually kinder to Engelbert than juries

 

[rajo]

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Russia is now on the record with the biggest disagree between televote and juries. Difference: 238 points. More points than Greece in 2005 or Azerbaijan in 2011. Incredible.

 

[LakZaNokte]

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Russia is now on the record with the biggest disagree between televote and juries. Difference: 238 points. More points than Greece in 2005 or Azerbaijan in 2011. Incredible.

that was expected from the beginning

 

[A-lister]

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Please don't think I regard "I'm A Joker" as some kind of misunderstood musical gem I know it's to put it as politely as I can, abit crap but to me it's one of those soo bad it's actually quite good kind of songs. I should not support it at all as it's the type of song that gives Eurovision a bad name, it's like watching a disaster scene in a movie. I wanna see it!!! To be honest though, I do think musically it's quite... interesting. Anri himself though, thats another matter.

... I don't think you did either, I just don't think the majority would agree that it's novelty, fun or whatever in the same sense as the Russian entry was, and that could also explain the difference in public support for the two. But as I said, we all have our taste and personal guilty pleasures, but I was speaking from a more general perspective.

Lyrically Can's song isnt the greatest but I can't say any of the songs impress me lyrically besides Suus. Eurovision is the home of cliché. More than anything I enjoy Eurovision for the quirk, the novelty and the ethnic sounds I would not hear anywhere else. God i'm a bad fan

Well, it's true ESC is not really a 'lyrical contest', it's just that they were overly infantile ("Singing na na na na na....") and the melody was childish imo. It was one of those entries I was very let-down by, because on paper Can's name was very interesting (his album is pretty good) and I tend to like those Turk-Pop entries, but this was just too childish and repeating for my taste.