Live EUROVISION SONG CONTEST 2022 FINAL DISCUSSION

[Sean]

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[MopManMoss]

Why do you memorise nonsense? This person spread fake news about Maneskin taking cocaine on camera last year. Should be avoided in wide radius.

Turned out that Macron tried to intervene and get Italy disqualified when that footage first came out have we considered that hijirio is infact Emmanuel Macron

 

[Preuss]

Lmao Australia came 2nd in the semi so it clearly deserved the final, and unlike Azerbaijan and Switzerland, got a good amount of points from the televote too

 

[Zeus]

Funny fact: France and Netherlands ended #1 and #2 in the forum ranking game.

Well, we can now say that indicates... problems.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

I'm sorry, but wtf juries, giving Spain that much points.. Weird.

The producer of her song is some big face in discography. Can't remember who, but it's not a Spaniard. A Dutch, Swede, something like that.

 

[Zeus]

Lmao Australia came 2nd in the semi so it clearly deserved the final, and unlike Azerbaijan and Switzerland, got a good amount of points from the televote too

Sheldons performance was so so good tonight. 2 televoting points.. He really deserved more. Feel sorry for him. This song meant so much to him, he really loves Eurovision and he just did so good with his performances.. Shame.

 

[Decayingbooks]

I think it also depends on how visible the politics is at the moment.

2014 - the politics are visible, but the invasions didn't get too much public attention. Instead, Conchita takes the center stage for the LGBT activism.
2016 - Jamala brought the politics to the stage (let's not deny that). Russia still did much better in televotes, anyway.
2022 - The war is all over media and it was also enforced in the contest, and Russia isn't there to compete, hence being the most visible instance of the politics being in advantage of Ukraine.

People use politics all the time to win votes, Israel 2018 was about female empowerment, France in 2018 was about migration, Malta 2018 and Australia 2019 was about depression, Russia 2015 was about unity and peace and so on... Politics was always a way to win votes

 

[Zerocalcare]

alina pash could have won because of her wonderful lightyears ahead song - kalush won mainly because media propaganda in all countries have worked very well.
many people thought,they have voted for the the right thing but future will tell us,what the truth behind them all is.

Ukraine has been sending great songs for many years. It is the only non-Big Five nation to have always qualified for the final. At Vidbir 2022 they had chosen Alina Pas of which, I tell you honestly, I was afraid. When I feel the shivers down my neck I can tell that the song is a winner. Alina was sure to win. Then came the war and chaos and Ukraine was forced to change artists. Even if the Kalush Orchestra did not deserve it according to some, I consider this victory a fair compensation.

It is not Ukraine's victory in 2022 that should leave us perplexed but the jury's votes from previous years that have killed many more deserving winners.

 

[Looren]

WE STAN THE QUEEN DFKJKJSGKJSDFKJGSDFKJLGFSKDJLFGKJFDSJKLGKJLDSKGJLDFSKJGDSJK

Her reaction to Kalush victory:

I liked her before

Sad.

 

[MopManMoss]

im glad it was stefania over shadows of forgotten ancestors because kalush is alot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot better at rapping

 

[spinachpie]

I'm getting the feeling that Poland does have a problem about getting votes - that the Poles don't have enough neighbouring countries that support them. BUT really, the juries (which I think have too much influence in other respects) should compensate for that, and yet they gave Poland less points than Poland got from the public.

Poland got 5 less than Italy in tele and beat Portugal, Greece and Netherlands. All similar style songs. It has no problem.

 

[Zerocalcare]

Le persone usano la politica tutto il tempo per ottenere voti, Israele 2018 riguardava l'emancipazione femminile, la Francia nel 2018 riguardava la migrazione, Malta 2018 e Australia 2019 riguardava la depressione, la Russia 2015 riguardava l'unità e la pace e così via... La politica è sempre stata un modo per guadagnare voti

 

[dany rose]

I have been hearing this discourse very often but it's very untrue. Ukraine was high in the bookies because of Alina Pash and I clearly remember that the odds started sliding right after her withdrawal and Kalush's unofficial announcement that they would accept the offer to represent Ukraine. Also, the war started on Feb 24 but during the month that built up to that point, occupation was already obvious and Ukraine was already every day on the news.

I repeat, Kalush was NEVER a favorite to win the whole thing. When the Vidbir songs were announced, nobody was even talking about them.

You may support Ukraine's victory as a message for Europe's solidarity, but claiming that they were a favorite from the get go is only distorting the truth only to justify the victory.

Instead of wasting time looking for reasons why a song you don't like won, and trying to convince the people who voted for it, that this is wrong: try to focus on what's wrong with your musical tastes

 

[hijirio]

Ukraine could have sent my grandmother's queef sound to ESC and it would have still won this year. Period.

 

[NeoTen]

At least the jokes of hosts were finally funny. Anyway. I've been watching as long as I can remember. When Yugoslavia was bombed no country from there won and some were even relegated. When Madrid was bombed, nothing. When Jamala called out Crimea, the Jury and Televoters chose another winner separately. What is this gonna change? Make people feel good? Virtue signalling has gone too far. I'm going to bed. Everything @hijirio says has my full support on this. Thx everyone, reading this forum was awesome as always though.

Turns out time and time again ... some deceased comedian said it in the 90s (and I include myself): "The public sucks, f*ck hope".

 

[MopManMoss]

Ukraine could have sent my grandmother's queef sound to ESC and it would have still won this year. Period.

to be fair id vote for a three minute queef that would be genuinely impressive

 

[Zeus]

Ukraine could have sent my grandmother's queef sound to ESC and it would have still won this year. Period.

You could take a class from bloody Mr. Einstein himself and you would still talk crap all the time.

 

[vesko85]

In my opinion countries who have war conflicts should not be allowed to participate. It's music contest after all. The song was not bad, but it's clearly was not winner. If it was Shum for example i would be more willing to believe in this results.

 

[Looren]

AM ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED MAMA STEFANIA WASN'T THERE TO HOLD THE TROPHY !

 

[spinachpie]

In my opinion countries who have war conflicts should not be allowed to participate. It's music contest after all. The song was not bad, but it's clearly was not winner. If it was Shum for example i would be more willing to believe in this results.

That's ridiculous.

 

[Malagant]

Enjoyed the ESC Final from Torino tonight!

Congrats to Ukraine with victory!

We all knew it would go this way, it was possibly the most expected result in modern ESC history knowing the current world situation. The jury votes created a ‘fictional’ suspense with UK and Sweden near the top but no one was surprised by the flood of televotes for Ukraine. This does not diminish the Ukrainian triumph and what the Ukrainian group achieved with a popular song and performance, but it cannot be denied that part of the reason for the triumph was sympathy votes from all over Europe due to the Ukraine war. It is human to act in this way and however one feels about political emphasis in ESC this contest victory will give Ukraine and its people a moment of joy and happiness in a very difficult time.

I liked the production in the Final and the presentation, it went fairly smoothly and there did not seem to be any technical problems, making for an enjoyable show. It was cool to see Laura Pausini sing songs, also Mika. Considering they are pop artists and not professional presenters I think they did a decent job overall. I did not get all the jokes myself but humour is subjective as we know. I also thought it was great to see the ESC-famous Gigliola Cinquetti, now 74 years of age, sing her wonderful ESC 1964 winner from Italy 'Non ho l'età' on stage.

All in all, well done, Torino!


My favourites in the Final were (in random order except the favourite):

Finland (my top favourite song in this year’s ESC, much underrated I thought, deserved top 10)
France (another much underrated song in this year’s ESC)
Sweden (the best Swedish ESC-entry for me in at least 6 years, deserved top 4)
Norway (fun sophisticated Electro-pop entry ‘disguised’ as a joke entry, happy with 10th place)
Spain (professional performance of a song which has grown on me, deserved top 4)
Romania (very catchy song which also has grown on me, underrated in my opinion)


Very pleased that Subwoolfer and Norway managed to get in the top 10 (10th place) after the juries ‘destroyed’ its chances of getting a top result. This was not unexpected so I think top 10 was well deserved, congrats!

Surprises? Never expected United Kingdom to do so well, and although I had the song in 11th place in my own ranking I am glad that they sent a better song this year (for a change) and got some love from the European public. I was also very surprised by all the love for Serbia this year. Personally I did not like the song at all, sorry (neither did anyone in my family who watched and voted), I miss the wonderful Balkan ballads of Zeljko Joksimovic and Jelena Tomasevic for Serbia, but clearly Europe enjoyed the ‘artistic’ song much so good for them.

Also am baffled that Italy did so well. It almost seems they can send anything to ESC and do well these days. Cool to see Spain also do very well after poor placings in ESC in recent years. France getting so few points was a huge mystery for me, I cannot understand it tbh - I thought they had a great performance and a very cool entry. Of all disappointments the biggest for me was seeing Finland and The Rasmus get so few points. Scandalous in my personal opinion, a quality act and they were top of my personal ranking, but it just shows one never knows how Europe votes in this contest.

Another ESC is over, it has been fun same as every year. Hopefully the Ukraine war will be over soon and life can gradually get back to normal so our Ukrainian hosts also can plan ahead for ESC 2023 in Ukraine next year