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Who do you want to win the Eurovision Song Contest 2014?

Who do you want to win the Eurovision Song Contest 2014?

  • :by: Belarus - TEO - Cheesecake

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  • :mk: (FYR) Macedonia - Tijana Dapčević - To The Sky

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  • :lt: Lithuania - Vilija Matačiūnaitė - Attention

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  • :md: Moldova - Cristina Scarlat - Wild Soul

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  • :ru: Russia - Tolmachevy Twins - Shine

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  • :sl: Slovenia - Tinkara Kovač - Spet/Round And Round

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LalehForWD

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:ua: or :hu: winning would make me happy but my favourite song is definitely :az:. I just don't wan't it to win.

If :is: finally put themselves together and send something in the Yohanna/Silvia Night class, I'd vote for them just for the sake of it. I also think it's only a matter of time before :md:, :al: or :fi: pulls the winning ticket.

And honestly (though I decided I wouldn't say this), a win for :uk: would feel incredible cheap. The English are definitely on the right track with Molly, but it's far from winning and they can easily do much much better if just the will is there.

I'm uncertain of my feelings in case of a win for :am:, but basically I would be happy (I guess :D).
 

FilipFromSweden

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:ee: Tanja xheart
:it: Emma Marrone
:es: Ruth Lorenzo
:uk: Molly
:se: Sanna Nielsen
 

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What about Azerbaijan 2011?

That would be the other one, but at least we can say that a lot of that was from the luck of getting their draw. If the UK does get a good draw this year, it'll be because the producers wanted them to have a good draw. At least Azerbaijan's success was partially out of pure luck. The UK's will almost be assisted by the producers thanks to the unfairness of having them be able to decide who performs where, and consequently, have an impact on the result.
 

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That would be the other one, but at least we can say that a lot of that was from the luck of getting their draw. If the UK does get a good draw this year, it'll be because the producers wanted them to have a good draw. At least Azerbaijan's success was partially out of pure luck. The UK's will almost be assisted by the producers thanks to the unfairness of having them be able to decide who performs where, and consequently, have an impact on the result.

I think that Molly's song is great and deserves to win :) Azerbaijan 2011 sounded like 'Need You Now' by Lady Antebellum for me and it can be the reason that it won...
 

FilipFromSweden

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I think that Molly's song is great and deserves to win :) Azerbaijan 2011 sounded like 'Need You Now' by Lady Antebellum for me and it can be the reason that it won...

Need You Now is waaaaaaay better, Running Scared is so meh.
 

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That would be the other one, but at least we can say that a lot of that was from the luck of getting their draw. If the UK does get a good draw this year, it'll be because the producers wanted them to have a good draw. At least Azerbaijan's success was partially out of pure luck. The UK's will almost be assisted by the producers thanks to the unfairness of having them be able to decide who performs where, and consequently, have an impact on the result.

You could say exactly the same thing about ANY country that goes on to win!
 

Haverdge

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I think that Molly's song is great and deserves to win :) Azerbaijan 2011 sounded like 'Need You Now' by Lady Antebellum for me and it can be the reason that it won...

The UK can do so much better than Molly. The UK is hardly trying, really, even with Molly's effort. If they're going to win, let it be with one of their incredible productions and powerful artists. This country is full of talented individuals and dynamic music scene; one which would have totally ignored "Children of the Universe" had it not been representing the UK this year. Personally, I think the song sounds dated and tied together with a bunch of cliches that don't make any sense. It kind of reminds me of an old Spice Girls song that never made it onto one of their albums.

Fortunately, I don't think the UK will stand out to average viewers who watch ESC and are not dedicated ESC fans. I have played the song before to non-ESC fans and almost none of them have mentioned it whatsoever. I think the [non-British] fans are just very excited about the thought of ESC returning to The UK, and are anxious to see how they would organize it. In my humble opinion, I think Molly will get a respectable result, which she deserves, of course, but definitely not first place. I think it will be like another scenario when the fans adore a song that the general public doesn't seem to agree with on the night of the final, similar to Hungary in 2011, France in 2011, and Slovakia in 2010.
 

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You could say exactly the same thing about ANY country that goes on to win!

Well, all of the winners pre-2013 are different because none of their draws and consequently, victories, were influenced by producers.
 

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Well, all of the winners pre-2013 are different because none of their draws and consequently, victories, were influenced by producers.

Of course they are. And don't get be wrong, I hate producers deciding positions. But to single out a UK win as being 'assisted by producers' when every single position on the night is 'assisted by producers' is, in my opinion, flawed.

Everyone has their own opinion on what is a great song is and who they want to win. But every country is at the advantage or disadvantage of the producers, not just the UK. If Armenia get given a slot 17-22 say, would you say the producers favoured them unfairly and that's the only reason they won?
 

FilipFromSweden

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Last year I thought that there was no real winning song, accept for :dk: and :ua:
This year it feels like there is a lot of potential candidates to win, and Molly is one of them.
 

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Of course they are. And don't get be wrong, I hate producers deciding positions. But to single out a UK win as being 'assisted by producers' when every single position on the night is 'assisted by producers' is, in my opinion, flawed.

I'm not singling out the UK; all of the "favorites" (Armenia, Hungary, UK, Sweden, etc.) will be impacted either positively or negatively by the draw because they're mostly at the top of peoples' rankings. And when I say positively/negatively, I mean the difference between winning and losing. Obviously how she does on stage, the show itself, etc. will have an impact, but I don't doubt that the EBU and DR would want to put her at an advantage over a smaller country like Armenia.

Everyone has their own opinion on what is a great song is and who they want to win. But every country is at the advantage or disadvantage of the producers, not just the UK. If Armenia get given a slot 17-22 say, would you say the producers favoured them unfairly and that's the only reason they won?

You're right, everything is subjective, but when talking about the draw, I'm talking about all of the favorites to win. Obviously the songs that have no chance won't matter if they're drawn 3rd or 15th; but the ones that all collectively hover around the top and have entered most peoples' personal favorites all will be impacted. You can see from last year how SVT gave Only Teardrops a very favorable draw, and put it between two potential non-winning countries, even though it could have been lumped together with the other favorites (Hold Me, I Feed You My Love, Alcohol is Free) in terms of quality. I think that helped push Denmark over the edge, in helped separate the winner from second place, in addition to the song and good performance itself, of course. I see no reason why they won't do it again this year, to steer clear of ESC in Armenia.
 

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It would be so cool to see a song with the draw #1 or #2 win, if I was competing in Eurovision I would pick #1 because it's just such a cool number.
I still don't think that getting an early draw means you are out of the game, but it sure gives you a better chance to win if you are given a late starting position.
 

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I think the best scenario would be an almost win for the UK, so they get encouraged and return with a clear winner next year. :D
 

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It would be so cool to see a song with the draw #1 or #2 win, if I was competing in Eurovision I would pick #1 because it's just such a cool number.
I still don't think that getting an early draw means you are out of the game, but it sure gives you a better chance to win if you are given a late starting position.

Even the late draws don't necessarily do better. 25, 24, 22 are all terrible slots, but given that the more successful slots are in the middle of the show (15, 16, 18, 17 19, 20), drawing into the second half is much more favorable. Also, it's who you're performing in between. Notice that SVT made sure Emmelie was between two certain non-contenders, while the other favorites seemed to perform one after another from slots 18-25, cancelling each other out and giving Emmelie a clear advantage.
 

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To be honest Europe should be greatful that the UK doesn't put maximum effort in as it would probably means 9/10 they would be very near winning all the time. :p:p

Molly's song is nowhere near the best what the UK can do even in terms of Eurovision I will admit that. Though we have to compare it to what is up against as opposed to what could have been.

The entry is essentially Love Shine a Light with Love Symphonny mixed into a modern production. I would say as a song the BBC picked Molly and this song as it would get a respectable result. The problem is that we have had a dip in the standard in 2014 and a few unconvential favourites. In a year with a lot of ifs and buts it is probably an entry that does exactly what it says on the tin. I can understand why that can be highly annoying. It is a box ticker which can pick up points for being middle of the road and well performed, which the new system will likely reward.
 
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