THE NETHERLANDS 2013 - Anouk - Birds

[bubblingtrue]

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The Netherlands has confirmed participation in 2013, but last time in final was 2004.

I take all these 'confirmed participations' with a pinch of salt, as a lot can change between now and December (or whenever the deadline is). I seriously hope Netherlands withdraw as a protest, and hopefully take a couple of other nations with them. Maybe then the EBU will properly tackle the voting procedures at ESC.

 

[Charly]

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AKOE - De TROS wil alles op alles zetten om volgend jaar weer een Nederlandse afvaardiging naar het Eurovisiesongfestival te sturen.

Ondanks de uitschakeling van Joan Franka donderdag in de halve finale van het liedjesfestijn en de geplande bezuinigingen die de omroep boven het hoofd hangen. Dat zei directeur Peter Kuipers vrijdag.
''We gaan ons uiterste best doen om er weer bij te zijn volgend jaar. De teleurstellende uitslag van donderdag inspireert ons alleen maar meer.'' De TROS organiseert sinds 2010 het Nationaal Songfestival.
Joan kreeg donderdag in Azerbeidzjan niet genoeg stemmen van publiek en vakjury voor een finaleplaats. Het is voor de achtste keer op rij dat Nederland niet weet door te dringen tot de eindstrijd van het festival.
Verslagen
Kuipers: ''We zijn verslagen en terneergeslagen. Vooral omdat we echt rekenden op een plek tussen de beste tien. Misschien niet in de top 5, maar zeker in de top 10.''
De omroepdirecteur kon vrijdag nog niet aangeven waar het volgens hem is misgegaan. ''Ik heb er nog geen diepgaande analyse op losgelaten. We moeten het eerst even laten bezinken.''
Na afloop van de halve finale heeft het team van de TROS Joan en haar band in het hotel opgevangen met champagne en taart. ''We hebben toch een feestje gevierd, want iedereen heeft enorm zijn best gedaan.''
Joan en haar team keren zondag terug naar Nederland. De 22-jarige Rotterdamse heeft nog niet besloten of ze zaterdagavond in de Crystal Hall in Bakoe de finale van het Eurovisiesongfestival bijwoont.
John de Mol, die zich als producent ontfermde over het Nationaal Songfestival, wil zich niet uitlaten over de prestaties van zijn The Voice of Holland-pupil. ''We hebben er als Talpa alles aan gedaan om er iets moois van te maken. Nooit eerder stuurde Nederland een regisseur mee met de artiest. De act was prima'', liet de woordvoerder van De Mol vrijdag weten.

English --

Despite the elimination of Joan Franka Thursday in the semifinals of the song festival and the planned cutbacks that the broadcaster over the head. That said director Peter Kuipers Friday.
'' We will do our utmost to be there again next year. The disappointing outcome of Thursday only inspires us more.'' TROS organizes since 2010 the National Contest.
Joan received Thursday in Azerbaijan not enough votes from the public and jury for the finals. It is the eighth consecutive year that the Netherlands do not get through to the final of the festival.
defeated
Kuipers:'' We are defeated and depressed. Especially since we really counted on a place among the top ten. Maybe not in the top 5, but certainly in the top 10.''
The broadcasting director could not specify where on Friday, according to him is wrong. '' I have no in-depth analysis released. We must first let it settle.''
After the semifinals, the team of the TROS Joan and her band at the hotel coped with champagne and cake. '' We still have a party celebrating, because everyone has enormous done his best.''
Joan and her team return back Sunday to the Netherlands. The 22-year-old Rotterdam has not yet decided whether it Saturday night in the Crystal Hall in Baku attends the final of the Eurovision Song Contest.
John de Mol, who as producer befriended the National Song Contest, will not comment on the performance of his The Voice of Holland-pupil. '' We have as Talpa every effort to make something beautiful out of it. Never sent Netherlands a director along with the artist. The act was fine'', said a spokesman for De Mol know Friday.

 

[Mozz]

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Thank you for posting this and also for the as always wonderfully 'flawless' Google Translate translation

 

[Yamarus]

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Okay now that the results are out, we can stop pretending "You And Me" was such an amazing entry and that we're all shocked that it didn't make it to the finals. The performance was disappointing, it was a cute but not outstanding ballad in a Semi *full* of ballads, its draw was awful...

I'm glad TROS keeps on trying. Dutch entries have sometimes been unfairly treated, but I see no reason for withdrawing over Joan Franka's failure to reach the finals.

 

[Matt]

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Well, I still think "You and me" is an amazing entry and my personal Number 1 in 2012. That being said, I already pointed out in my previous posts that the performance was incredibly weak. Not only was Joan off key pretty much throughout the entire song, the Staging was so dull and uninspiring. If they would have performed it like they did in the preselection I'm very confident the Dutch would have made the cut, they were afterall only a dozen points or so away.

I don't even know if the draw really hurt them considering songs 1,2 & 4 all qualified, it was just a weak performance and I knew immediately that it would be the end of the road for the Netherlands.

They're on the right track but they need to have the right performer who can vocally convince and has a solid song.

 

[Mozz]

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I don't even know if the draw really hurt them considering songs 1,2 & 4 all qualified, it was just a weak performance and I knew immediately that it would be the end of the road for the Netherlands.

They're on the right track but they need to have the right performer who can vocally convince and has a solid song.

When I saw the second rehearsal and got confirmation on Dutch forums that that was what we would be seeing in the semi, I knew it was over. The performance, the staging was simply too weak. It was a whole lot of nothingness and it was clear to me that the song itself could not carry the performance.

It's probably superfluous to say (to you), but it's not just the singer and the song. The Dutch always focus too much on the singer (can he/she sing) and the song (is it nice enough), but HARDLY on the act, the performance, the staging. Did you know that Joan and the Dutch team had NOTHING prepared for the staging when they came to Baku? Joan only had the idea in her mind. The literal reason was: "Ooh, there was no time".

Quoting from a Dutch forum:

"Wat me wel dwars zit is dat toen gevraagd werd aan Joan of ze geen act thuis in Nederland hadden ingestudeerd samen met haar backinggroep, ze volmondig toe gaf dat er niets was ingestudeerd. Het ei van Columbus moest in Baku op het podium nog worden uitgevonden! Ze stonden bij de eerste oefeningen dan ook maar wat aan de kloten. Reden volgens Joan: “er was geen tijd voor”! ER WAS GEEN TIJD VOOR !! Hoe kun je het verzinnen! Dit is toch te gek voor woorden! Onbegrijpelijk gezien de bravour van de Tros en de Mol. Bedankt Tros en de Mol voor wederom zo’n debacle."

http://www.songfestivalweblog.nl/2012/05/nederland-15e-in-2e-halve-finale/#comments
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[Mozz]

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Okay now that the results are out, we can stop pretending "You And Me" was such an amazing entry and that we're all shocked that it didn't make it to the finals. The performance was disappointing, it was a cute but not outstanding ballad in a Semi *full* of ballads, its draw was awful...

I'm glad TROS keeps on trying. Dutch entries have sometimes been unfairly treated, but I see no reason for withdrawing over Joan Franka's failure to reach the finals.

- A song is one thing. The performance (the way a song is brought to the audience) is something different. Those two things are simply not the same thing. I hope this is not too difficult to understand.

Whether a song is amazing or not is a personal thing. It's simply a matter of taste. I personally think it's a very nice song, I've played and sung it over 300 times probably.

The performance, the way You and Me was presented to the Eurovision crowd in the semi, however was disappointing.

- As far as I can judge You and Me is absolutely not a ballad; that is such a weird statement.

 

[Andrzej1987]

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I'm happy that the Netherlands doesn't give up, that's sportsmanship

 

[Matt]

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It's probably superfluous to say (to you), but it's not just the singer and the song. The Dutch always focus too much on the singer (can he/she sing) and the song (is it nice enough), but HARDLY on the act, the performance, the staging. Did you know that Joan and the Dutch team had NOTHING prepared for the staging when they came to Baku? Joan only had the idea in her mind. The literal reason was: "Ooh, there was no time".

Quoting from a Dutch forum:

"Wat me wel dwars zit is dat toen gevraagd werd aan Joan of ze geen act thuis in Nederland hadden ingestudeerd samen met haar backinggroep, ze volmondig toe gaf dat er niets was ingestudeerd. Het ei van Columbus moest in Baku op het podium nog worden uitgevonden! Ze stonden bij de eerste oefeningen dan ook maar wat aan de kloten. Reden volgens Joan: “er was geen tijd voor”! ER WAS GEEN TIJD VOOR !! Hoe kun je het verzinnen! Dit is toch te gek voor woorden! Onbegrijpelijk gezien de bravour van de Tros en de Mol. Bedankt Tros en de Mol voor wederom zo’n debacle."

http://www.songfestivalweblog.nl/2012/05/nederland-15e-in-2e-halve-finale/#comments
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Wow, that's sad. Yet it doesn't surprise me. Me and my friend were talking about this yesterday and it seems that the Dutch have little interest in the Staging process. 3JS didn't do anything, De Toppers had the messiest performance ever. Actually Sieneke had a decent Staging, too bad the song sucks.

I wonder if Pearl would have been a better choice in the end. Well, we'll never know!

 

[Mozz]

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Oh Pearl... Frankly I don't want to think about that possibility, the Dutch sending that kind of song. My first instinct tells me no and that Raffaela would've been a (slightly) better choice, strategically. Both their songs don't feel right for me. One is too stereotypical Eurovision a la 90s, the other sounds too cheap and has too few lyrics. But both are easier to stage on the other hand, much easier than Joans song.

For next year I would like to send something really experimental. That's my wish. It will never be the wish of the majority of the Dutch, nor of any Dutch selection juries. It's not in the Dutch' genes, blood, or brains. Imagine selecting a song like the Albanian entry. That will not happen in NL, never.

 

[Jesus]

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Just two words:

WITHIN TEMPTATION

They would be the end of all dutch problems in ESC!!

 

[Mozz]

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Thanks for your suggestion Jesus.

It's not my personal taste but I know that Within Temptation is very very popular abroad.
Maybe if they receive many international requests to participate at ESC, they might (finally...) be swayed..

 

[Matt]

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I do recall Within Temptation implying while they were not interested in ESC as a band, they may consider writing a song for Eurovision.

 

[NikkiBoy]

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LATTE LATTE LATTE CHOCOLATTE - YOU HAVE GOT TO SEND ME CHOCOLATTE-E

 

[demonl]

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Within Temptation for sure.

 

[Andrzej1987]

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Within Temptation would be perfect

 

[Sim]

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Within Temptation , I would like it

 

[lowyby]

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Armin Van Buuren & a big dance act.

I REALLY think that dance acts or things a la Tom Dice can save the Netherlands & Belgium

 

[Mozz]

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Guys, if you want to see Within Temptation participate at Eurovision,

consider going to their website, look up their email address or twitter account, and send them a short email or tweet:

-tell them that you would LOVE to see them at Eurovision and
-that you're from this or that country (Denmark, Belgium, Poland, Germany or whatever)
-and very important: that you "will absolutely vote for them".

Maybe then they will be persuaded.

Because I know that they're hesitant about it. (I know that they're willing to write a Eurovision song for The Netherlands, but of course we know it's not exactly the same)

 

[kotten]

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I'm happy that the Netherlands doesn't give up, that's sportsmanship

Agreed! Hopefully they will make it to the finals next year, otherwise there will be a decade in 2014 since they last QF. Don't give up =)