North Macedonia NORTH MACEDONIA 2021 - Vasil - Here I Stand

[escYOUnited]

There are times when I remember back
Wish to hug
The child about to crack
I’ll tell him: wait you won’t be long
Trust your heart and just stay strong

‘Cause baby they all tried to break us
Not knowing it’s what makes us
This is how we found our way
Now here I stand
There’s no pretend
My walls are down, my heart’s in your hand
Unchain my wings
And the oceans of tears will fade to black
With the song of my years ooooh-ooooh-ooooh

They all tried to break us (tried to break)
Not knowing it’s what makes us (they don’t know)
This is how we found our way (this is how we found our way)
(Here I stand)
My walls are down, my heart’s in your hand
(They all tried to break us
Not knowing it’s what makes us
This is how we found our way)

There are times when I remember back
And all I do is smile
All for you

(They all tried to break us
Not knowing it’s what makes us
And this is how we found our way)​

 

[Citelis]

Interesting insight, I'm curious if the more aggressive tone from the Bulgarian side recently is due to them having an upcoming election?, usually when politicians are doing a bad job or want to hide other issues they go to desperate populist smoke screens to try to steer public attention elsewhere.

After the Prespa agreement the region changed. Those who were hiding behind Greece trying to stop N. Macedonia from becoming NATO and EU country by ''selling'' nationalism in both countries after the agreement they had to find a different country to hide behind.

 

[A-lister]

But fairness to who? I think at this stage, a re-allocation of both semi will be more fair so there is no dispute on who is to move from semi 2 to semi 1. Unless one country from semi 2 voluntarily took up the offer.

I mean they won't make a complete re-allocation, if we just randomly draw a country from semi 1 it would be the fairest thing. I think making semi 2 easier to qualify from is less fair.

 

[tararaaam]

The amount of nationalism stemming from such a small country is...impressive, to say the least. Haven’t they had a fight with every single one of their neighbours already?

 

[crashworld]

I mean they won't make a complete re-allocation, if we just randomly draw a country from semi 1 it would be the fairest thing. I think making semi 2 easier to qualify from is less fair.

I believe you mean drawing a country from semi 2.

Mathematically yes, you are right, a country has a higher chance to qualify if it is in semi 1 due to lesser competition.
But if the delegations are to study the hype/odds and the historical qualification rate/success rate of the competitors in both semi, it will be "harder" to qualify in semi 1 than in semi 2.

If I am the delegation who has an entrant that is not that widely received by the fandom, I would have remained in semi 2 in order not to jeopardize the chances further.
The same applies to if I am the delegation who has an entrant that is not that widely received by the fandom in semi 1 and got another heavy-weight from semi 2 joining as the replacement, I would be very disheartened as the qualification chances could be diminished further.

 

[A-lister]

I believe you mean drawing a country from semi 2.

Mathematically yes, you are right, a country has a higher chance to qualify if it is in semi 1 due to lesser competition.
But if the delegations are to study the hype/odds and the historical qualification rate/success rate of the competitors in both semi, it will be "harder" to qualify in semi 1 than in semi 2.

If I am the delegation who has an entrant that is not that widely received by the fandom, I would have remained in semi 2 in order not to jeopardize the chances further.
The same applies to if I am the delegation who has an entrant that is not that widely received by the fandom in semi 1 and got another heavy-weight from semi 2 joining as the replacement, I would be very disheartened as the qualification chances could be diminished further.

Yeah, I mixed it up

I mean I hear you, and now when the entries are known it obviously complicates things because delegations will look at their competition. But I still think it would be the fairest solution tbh

 

[Schlagerman1]

If now were to withdraw (which I still doubt will happen, but let's for fun play with the thought they would) I could see them probably taking one of the countries that were in the same pot as them in 2020s draw sequence aka Albania, Austria, Serbia or Switzerland and put them in semi 1 instead, to make the semis even. They could have taken one from the same pot as Belarus were in as well, but even if Belarus would be out, we also got Armenia in that pot already withdrawn, so it is even from those already. So one of those four mentioned would be together with us in semi 1. I would be interesting if Switzerland suddenly were thrown in the mix of semi 1, that would change the dynamic of that semi A LOT.

 

[rasmuslights]

If now were to withdraw (which I still doubt will happen, but let's for fun play with the thought they would) I could see them probably taking one of the countries that were in the same pot as them in 2020s draw sequence aka Albania, Austria, Serbia or Switzerland and put them in semi 1 instead, to make the semis even. They could have taken one from the same pot as Belarus were in as well, but even if Belarus would be out, we also got Armenia in that pot already withdrawn, so it is even from those already. So one of those four mentioned would be together with us in semi 1. I would be interesting if Switzerland suddenly were thrown in the mix of semi 1, that would change the dynamic of that semi A LOT.

please don't let Switzerland in hahaha. Put like Austria so we have an obvious unqualifier hahah.

 

[Mimmon]

ESCBEAT Team joins to support Vasil to represent North Macedonia at Eurovision 2021.

Vasil is set to represent North Macedonia at Eurovision Song Contest 2021 with song ”Here I Stand”. Song and music video received negative comments that the original music video they sh…

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ESCBEAT Team are joining to support Vasil...

 

[theditz83]

All of this is doing nothing to stem the judginess and the inevitable rolled eyes from everyone outside of the Eurovision community who simply see the whole contest as a big political mess. Or maybe that's just the Brit inside me...

 

[empo21]

I feel for Vasil and I'm sure he had no bad intentions. It's unfortunate that such incident happened to him at this time. Bulgaria and North Macedonia have basically been at each other's necks on political, cultural issues like who is what, who came from where, who is who and whatnot and there have been some escalations such as flag burning etc...So any reference to the other country will quickly spark conflict nowadays it seems like.

Hope NM learns to separate the contest from politics and let's Vasil have a peacful Eurovison journey.

 

[soulm8]

This thread really turned into circus! Burning the Bulgarian flag on the streets in NM is surely not how you show good feelings towards a country!
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And pls keep Vasil in the contest!

 

[joao]

I see, well I know those cases although the Romania one was about debt to the EBU, so I wouldn't really compare the two (although yeah, ultimately it could result in a withdrawal).

Ukraine 2010 reminds me a bit of a blend of this case and Russia this year, as in there were dissatisfaction with the original internal choice, and then a new NF was quickly arranged but the internal choice (unlike with LB) still took part in the new NF.

The last scenario seems a bit unlikely at this point, so I am not sure what they're going to do? I mean for their own sake and for Eurovision's sake they should change the cringy song, but I don't think they're allowed to do that past deadline, but changing the singer also seems unfair, at least based on such a stupid reason as this.

I don't think they will switch the song, neither the singer. Here the only resource would be withdrawing which I hope it won't happen

 

[A-lister]

I don't think they will switch the song, neither the singer. Here the only resource would be withdrawing which I hope it won't happen

I agree, I mean it would be nice with a better song of course, but yeah I don't think anything will be changed and I also don't see them withdrawing tbh.

 

[crashworld]

I don't think this call for a change of song. Because the issue here is with the "controversy" surrounding Vasil not his song. So if the North Macedonia delegation decides to give in to the public complaints, then it'll be a change of artist. And then this is up to EBU if they will accept this decision by the North Macedonia delegation and if there'll be any punishment meted out to them by EBU.

Personally, North Macedonia's delegation should have just sent out a message to the public and urge the public not to politicize ESC and then continue with the competition as planned. At the end of the day, North Macedonians can't vote for their entry anyway. They can boycott Vasil for all they want. Plus, based on what I've read that ESC is generally not supported by the North Macedonia's public, so why do they care who represents them? And Vasil was selected in 2020, why isn't there an uproar back then when he's selected? I doubt he got his dual citizenship only until now.

The whole uproar is so unnecessary.

 

[Kaz]

The amount of nationalism stemming from such a small country is...impressive, to say the least. Haven’t they had a fight with every single one of their neighbours already?

Welcome to the Balkans, I see you’re new here

 

[njdevils94]

Looks like it will start getting political. Slavi Trifonov who's running in the Bulgarian election posted this supporting Vasil. Hopefully this doesn't turn into a s***show for Bulgaria.

Слави Т. Трифонов

Васил Гарванлиев, който трябва да представлява Северна Македония на конкурса “Евровизия”, е заплашен да бъде низвергнат от съгражданите си в Северна Македония, защото обяви, че е и българин, тъй като...

www.facebook.com

 

[Trece]

Looks like it will start getting political.

Слави Т. Трифонов

Васил Гарванлиев, който трябва да представлява Северна Македония на конкурса “Евровизия”, е заплашен да бъде низвергнат от съгражданите си в Северна Македония, защото обяви, че е и българин, тъй като...

www.facebook.com

Yes please cancel Viktoria and Vasil from Bulgaria. NMacedonia always has Kaliopi

 

[Lance Esgard]

I cannot see the post above right now (it just says Log into Facebook) but for an overview of what is going on, BalkanInsight has a helpful article, although from a journalistic standpoint I disagree with the quoting of single words and short phrases. It can be confused for the practice of putting something in single quotes to indicate irony or sarcasm. As in: I talked to the 'chef' about his horrific selection of pizza toppings.

Still, it is useful enough to get the broader context.

 

[Matt]

The post in question, translated by facebook

 

[Lance Esgard]

The post in question, translated by facebook

Thanks Matt.

To provide context for this post, Slavi Trifonov was the host of a Bulgarian talk show since 2000, initially the most popular in the nation and also popular amongst Bulgarians abroad, including in North Macedonia. He cancelled his contract in 2019 to form his own national TV network where he now hosts a late-night talk show. That same year, he also formed his own 'big tent' populist political party.