Kazakhstan KAZAKHSTAN 2021 - not taking part

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[DenizESC]

No seriously. I won't restart this useless discussion where A-lister tells me that a central asian country is in Europe and others say that Kazakh shares more with european culture than Australia, and that the political system is about as authoritarian as Israel or Sweden (!). Those are the facts:

1) The ESC is NOT an issue the broad majority cares about. They don't even know it exists.
2) esckaz.com is made by a team of media professionals from Russia, Ukraine, Latvia and the UK. It's not even in kazhak language.
3) The only people interested in Kazakstan to enter the contest are - right: the people in power.
4) These people seek to use the contest not for the purpose it was created, but to have a stage to promote their agenda. Just as Belarus did. Thanks - I don't need that. Case closed for me.

I know many will not agree with me, but I will not enter any discussion about it.

OMG this type of post is literally scary. I didn't know we had people like this in the ESC-sphere.

Kazakhstan is IN FACT, you can cry about this but in FACT in Europe partly geographically (cry now) more than countries like Australia or Israel for example which have 0 ground on the continent. Kazakh people are a Eurasian people and so is their culture.

Your western supremacy makes you blind. Just because you don't feel closeness to them doesn't mean other countries in Europe don't. There have been people here that have been under 1 flag with Kazakhstan at some point here even. They have been a soviet nation and share some cultural similarities with other countries in that sphere. Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are both Turkic countries and share a similar language. Kazakhstan is in fact more European than Australia, European culture is not equal to GERMAN culture good morning, it is a large continent. Being European shouldn't be equal to being white or from a western sphere? It's literally just a continent lmfao.

Kazakhstan has all right to take part in this contest and WILL eventually take part as racism won't prevail in the end. Literally everyone knows they will take part eventually, you will be the ones looking like a clown good luck.

 

[pras]

The only reason I can understand that they don't have a full EBU member broadcaster yet. It's logical, rules are rules even though they made an exception for Australia. They don't have to do that to everyone even though it's kinda unfair. But i cant agree with any other arguments...

Also let's enjoy the awesome performance of Aidana Medenova's Wild Dances performance

 

[A-lister]

as I said - it's useless to try to get me into this discussion with the same ever repeated arguments. I stated my point - that's it. You can spare yourself the time and the effort to answer me on this topic.

You don't want to have a discussion on a discussion forum but want to throw out a rant (with some half-truths) and then don't want to face responses to that?

Bunch of what you said is untrue, like I should have said that Kazakhstan's democracy level is the same as Sweden's and Israel's? Like really? Or that they have no public interest in ESC? Both of these statements are untrue.

But what IS true is that Kazakhstan's level of democracy is not much worse than some other active ESC countries, what IS also true is that EBU clearly have different measurements for countries. Now, you can of course dislike the idea of having Kazakhstan in the contest, but at least have an honest argumentation.

 

[heke1988]

We want Kazakhstan in Eurovision, so we can complain about 12 points for Russia, Russia, Russia, all year long.

Isn't Azerbaijan already doing it for us?

 

[Mainshow]

1. Kazakhstan is a transcontinental country. Geographically speaking, Cyprus, Armenia and Israel are fully Asian. Kazakhstan is therefore, more European than these countries.
Calling that country a "pure/only" Central Asian country is false. Most of its territories are Central Asian but it still got parts in Europe, e.g. the Kazakh city of Atyrau is transcontinental like Istanbul.

2. Kazakhstan's viewing figures for JESC aren't bad. Actually, they got a better market share than Ukraine. Let's compare the market share of JESC 2018: 8.3 to 10.3% in versus 2.25% in .
Source: https://www.eurovoxx.net/single-post/2018/12/05/jesc-2018-more-viewing-figures-revealed
Also, when I was in Kazakhstan, I heard more Eurovision entries on the radio, in shopping malls, in the cab than I do in Germany, for example.
Please don't state your opinion which doesn't rely on facts as some sort of truth.

3. Most Kazakh people speak Russian. It's rhe lingua franca as well as one od two official languages there. + it's home to many Eastern European immigrants/ethnicities. I don't see anything wrong in hosting an ESC page in Russian. People in Kazakhstan also buy breed whilst speaking Russian.

Thank you.

 

[rasmuslights]

Isn't Azerbaijan already doing it for us?

I'm not sure Kazakhstan would be doing that, they aren't doing that at jesc at least..

 

[heke1988]

I'm not sure Kazakhstan would be doing that, they aren't doing that at jesc at least..

Well, I don't watch JESC, so I didn't know that.

 

[Gabe]

Please respect the forum rules and be courteous to each other at all times.

 

[hijirio]

People who have no clue about the political environment in Kazakhstan making wrong assumptions about a country and I'm like, you could really #educateyourself.

In recent years, Kazakhstan is distancing itself from Russia, they even changed their alphabet, the Russian minority is being encouraged to learn Kazakh in public domains.

Plus, they never gave big points to Russia in Jesc.
2018: 2 points
2019: 2 points
2020: 4 points

And since when is the "assumed" voting pattern a criteria to allow a country in ESC xd

 

[SwedishFailurez]

1. Kazakhstan is a transcontinental country. Geographically speaking, Cyprus, Armenia and Israel are fully Asian. Kazakhstan is therefore, more European than these countries.
Calling that country a "pure/only" Central Asian country is false. Most of its territories are Central Asian but it still got parts in Europe, e.g. the Kazakh city of Atyrau is transcontinental like Istanbul.

2. Kazakhstan's viewing figures for JESC aren't bad. Actually, they got a better market share than Ukraine. Let's compare the market share of JESC 2018: 8.3 to 10.3% in versus 2.25% in .
Source: https://www.eurovoxx.net/single-post/2018/12/05/jesc-2018-more-viewing-figures-revealed
Also, when I was in Kazakhstan, I heard more Eurovision entries on the radio, in shopping malls, in the cab than I do in Germany, for example.
Please don't state your opinion which doesn't rely on facts as some sort of truth.

3. Most Kazakh people speak Russian. It's rhe lingua franca as well as one od two official languages there. + it's home to many Eastern European immigrants/ethnicities. I don't see anything wrong in hosting an ESC page in Russian. People in Kazakhstan also buy breed whilst speaking Russian.

Thank you.

Good points actually, why isn’t Kazakhstan a legitimate EBU member already?

 

[Gabe]

Good points actually, why isn’t Kazakhstan a legitimate EBU member already?

It isn't in the European Broadcasting Area or a member of the Council of Europe and you need one of these two in order to obtain full EBU membership (that said, the EBU should definitely let them in)

 

[Mainshow]

^^ this didn't stop the EBU to expand the area for all three countries in the Caucasus, though.

It's not like they have to stick to that rule.

To sum it up, it's alright to make exceptions for and but they neglect a country like which has more European territories than all of them together/combined from participating.

 

[SwedishFailurez]

It isn't in the European Broadcasting Area or a member of the Council of Europe and you need one of these two in order to obtain full EBU membership (that said, the EBU should definitely let them in)

Yes, and why isn’t Kazakzhstan a member in any of those in the first place?

The only reasonable factor would be that the majority of its broadcasting area is so far east that practicing in major live sport events in Europe is impossible, maybe? It makes more sense that it’s more of a technical thing than a political thing because many actual EBU members are pretty corrupt already.

 

[A-lister]

It isn't in the European Broadcasting Area or a member of the Council of Europe and you need one of these two in order to obtain full EBU membership (that said, the EBU should definitely let them in)

The non-Council of Europe member Australia says hello from the other side of the world outside of the Broadcasting area

Also in this day and age, we all know that the Broadcasting Area is outdated, even EBU knows about that. Most of Russia is outside of that area too (just like Kazakhstan), and yeah Australia says hello again

 

[Trece]

Yes, and why isn’t Kazakzhstan a member in any of those in the first place?

The only reasonable factor would be that the majority of its broadcasting area is so far east that practicing in major live sport events in Europe is impossible, maybe? It makes more sense that it’s more of a technical thing than a political thing because many actual EBU members are pretty corrupt already.

But Kazakhstan is in UEFA for example and particpates in Euro efc

 

[SwedishFailurez]

The non-Council of Europe member Australia says hello from the other side of the world outside of the Broadcasting area

Also in this day and age, we all know that the Broadcasting Area is outdated, even EBU knows about that. Most of Russia is outside of that area too (just like Kazakhstan), and yeah Australia says hello again

Culturally speaking, the Siberian part of the Russian population is usually put aside. When media are taking Russia into concern, they certainly mean the Moscow/St Petersburg portion of Russia.

The issue with Australia is that the live broadcasting begin in 7 a.m the following day. Because of that and many other technical dilemmas making intercontinental broadcasting function with a minimum budget, Australia will never host the contest if they win.

Kazakhstan is one of those ABU members that have the least issues when it comes to practicing in Eurovision, they are probably on the same level as Armenia in that regard. The popularity of the contest is already well established there as @Mainshow already mentioned. If EBU want more taxpayers and profit big from practicing fees payed by a financially stable broadcaster, inviting Kazakhstan would work in the short term. We will see how this will develop.

But Kazakhstan is in UEFA for example and particpates in Euro efc

Well then... If those events can manage it, Kazakhstan in the adult contest should not be that far-fetched.

 

[DanielLuis]

^^ this didn't stop the EBU to expand the area for all three countries in the Caucasus, though.

It's not like they have to stick to that rule.

To sum it up, it's alright to make exceptions for and but they neglect a country like which has more European territories than all of them together/combined from participating.

Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan are and always have been in the broadcasting area. They weren't included just so they could debut in the 2000s, they were there from the beginning of the EBU in the 1950s. Plus, they are members of the Council of Europe.

The non-Council of Europe member Australia says hello from the other side of the world outside of the Broadcasting area

Also in this day and age, we all know that the Broadcasting Area is outdated, even EBU knows about that. Most of Russia is outside of that area too (just like Kazakhstan), and yeah Australia says hello again

Australia isn't an EBU member.

With that being said, Kazakhstan should and will be taking part in ESC in the near future, that's beyond obvious. If it wasn't the case they wouldn't be invited to the JESC. If anything the EBU is using that as a test drive, and to prolong Kazakhstan's history of broadcasting and interacting with the contest, so they can use the same reasoning to invite Kazakhstan as they did to invite Australia.

 

[EscGeek]

I swear every kazakh thread on this forum is the same.
This is epic.

 

[Mainshow]

According to my sources, the EBA (European Broadcasting Area) has been expanded in the 00's:

For example, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia were defined as outside the EBA borders until 2007.[2] After the EBA was expanded by the 2007 World Radiocommunication Conference (WRC-07) to include those three countries,[1] the only ITU member state with territory in Europe while remaining outside the EBA is Kazakhstan.

I used to think about the EBU "trying to build up some sort of history" to include Kazakhstan the same way they did with Australia a few years ago but personally, I think it's TIME. already sent delegations to Eurovision back in 2009. That was more than a decade ago...

 

[pras]

Another proof for the low interest of Kazakh people about ESC