Kazakhstan KAZAKHSTAN 2018 - Not taking part
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I think coming from a country (Greece) that is one of the major beneficiaries of diaspora votes and always give 12's to Cyprus (regardless of the entry) it's kind of hypocritical to point out Kazakhstan...
Anyways, Kazakhstan is closer to European ex-USSR (maybe not so much Ukraine anymore since they are more on Russia's side on things, but still) than they are to Turkey and Azerbaijan, and Turkey is not even taking part so not sure how they could end up getting any points from any country right now?
Another thing that people turn their blind eye to is that there is also a 2-3% German diaspora in Kazakhstan (biggest diaspora group from ESC countries in Kazakhstan after Russians and Ukrainians), Turks and Azeris don't even make up 1% of the population...
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Hey there! Hope all is good? We barely agree on many things ESC related but that's kind of traditions
But we can agree, Belarus 2017 is great!
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I'd say Kazakhstan is culturally closer to European ex-USSR countries than they are to Turkey, they are very "Russified" and with Erdögan in Turkey, the gap expands further because Turkey is becoming more and more fundamentalist while Kazakhstan sticks to being secular.
I think coming from a country (Greece) that is one of the major beneficiaries of diaspora votes and always give 12's to Cyprus (regardless of the entry) it's kind of hypocritical to point out Kazakhstan...
Anyways, Kazakhstan is closer to European ex-USSR (maybe not so much Ukraine anymore since they are more on Russia's side on things, but still) than they are to Turkey and Azerbaijan, and Turkey is not even taking part so not sure how they could end up getting any points from any country right now?
Another thing that people turn their blind eye to is that there is also a 2-3% German diaspora in Kazakhstan (biggest diaspora group from ESC countries in Kazakhstan after Russians and Ukrainians), Turks and Azeris don't even make up 1% of the population...
Well, we dont have an active (blind) Diaspora, even in
and in we have to fight for our Points. Also in and Germans are one of the biggest Groups, but they either dont support us Blindly, or are no ESC-Fans (Even Lena 2011 received 0 Points from both of them despite being a Fav). And thats very good as it is. I dont want us to receive blind Points nomatter how good/bad our Entries are. On the other Side if we sometimes get 10-12 from and (like with St. Raab or Lena) we know that we got them because we deserved them and not for geopolitical Reasons. So im pretty sure that our Diaspora in also wouldnt support us blindly.
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See "Kazakhstan 2018 - Not taking part" thread win as the most active thread of ESC 2018 season
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Well, we dont have an active (blind) Diaspora, even in
Well, that might be true, and there are other countries aswell which have diaspora that doesn't really help... I just pointed it out as a fact.
Channel 31 Kazakhstan has indeed expressed interest in becoming a Member of the EBU and hence participate in the Eurovision Song Contest. However, since Channel 31 is outside the European Broadcasting Area and is also not a member of the Council of Europe,
it is not eligible to become an active Member of the EBU.
it is not eligible to become an active Member of the EBU.
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Yeah because Australia is within the broadcasting area and member of Council of Europe
But yeah, like I expected, EBU treat different countries differently...
Also this broadcasting area is a joke tbh... clearly has not been updated for decades, Syria can technically enter but a country like Kazakhstan that is partly within the European continent cannot....
Yeah because Australia is within the broadcasting area and member of Council of Europe
But yeah, like I expected, EBU treat different countries differently...
Also this broadcasting area is a joke tbh... clearly has not been updated for decades, Syria can technically enter but a country like Kazakhstan that is partly within the European continent cannot....
The statement also goes on to say that associate members need to be invited to join Eurovision... there's no money in inviting Kazakhstan (unless they make it worth their while), whereas Australia... $$$
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I don't think it's too hard to find some cash in a country which exports oil and gas as their main income source and has a GDP/cap almost $10.000 higher than Azerbaijan for instance (and we all know the latter has been pretty good with convincing EBU with their cash in certain situations)...
Australia is a rich country, but it doesn't function the same way as
or does so it's not like the Australian state would put some extra cash into the game, it mostly depends on the broadcaster's economy, wheres with some other countries cash clearly flows from other sources aswell... letting Australia in might be partly about cash but also about culture and politics, blocking Kazakhstan however is clearly a matter of culture and politics, not so much about cash...
https://tengrinews.kz/music/kazahstan-planiruet-prinyat-uchastie-v-Eurovision-Asia-2018-335235/
Khabar wanted to take part in ESC 2018 but they were denied by the EBU bosses.
Khabar wanted to take part in ESC 2018 but they were denied by the EBU bosses.
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Is anyone surprised by now?
Australia = On the other side of the globe, as far as the European Broadcasting Area as one can get almost, but according to EBU bosses "culturally, politically, linguistically and financially acceptable", coup'ed in as a permanent member after a false "one time thing only" and constantly overhyped by the juries to force the idea down everyone's throats that they are legit with manipulated good results year after year.
Kazakhstan = Partly within the European continent and direct neighbor to the European Broadcasting Area (if EBU actually updated the definition of this area to fit with today's technical possibilities it would certainly be within the area already), associate member and broadcasted the contest for like a decade or so = Not ok because wrong "culturally, politically, linguistically"...
So much for "all aboard" and diversity nonsense slogans...
This Article summarizes (unfortunately in german) very good, why we dont need too.
too.
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For those who scandalously don't speak any german NONO
Article says that a broadcasting organisation, shouldn't deal with countries where the media is in any way opressed by the governmental organisations. That's at least a point.
Source is from 2012 tho
Article says that a broadcasting organisation, shouldn't deal with countries where the media is in any way opressed by the governmental organisations. That's at least a point.
Source is from 2012 tho
