Impact of Germany's victory

[charlesf]

Greece is in Southern Europe!

Here is the list as I know it:

1. Central Europe: -de, -ch, -at, -pl, -cz, -sk, -hu, -ro, -md, -li

I know being part of Central Europe is a popular. It's kinda a club for the cool kids. You're likely to offend Hungarians if you wrongly describe their country as a Balkan country.

But come on. Romania and Moldavia a part of Central Europe?!? Is that how Romanians see themselves? Perhaps the Transylvanian part for historical reasons, but not the historical provinces of Wallachia and Moldavia.

So I'd take those countries off the list, while adding Slovenia which culturally and politically fits more into the Central European group.

 

[lucian-crusher]

Yes! Romania is in Central Europe! The only part from Romania that is situated in the Balkans is Dobrogea. And I said I am only speaking geofraphically, not culturally or pollitically.
Maybe people from Northern Belgrad consider themselevs in the Balkans but they are not! Once you are on the Northern side of the Danube you are out of the Balkans....

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

IMO geographically Romania is in Eastern Europe!

 

[lucian-crusher]

So it's -kz and -ro is much closer to -fr than it is to -kz.

,,Romania (pronounced /ro??me?ni?/ ( listen) roe-MAY-nee-?; dated: Rumania, Roumania; Romanian: România [rom??ni.a] ( listen)) is a country located at the crossroads of Central and Southeastern Europe, north of the Balkan Peninsula!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania

 

[Interrail]

@lucian_crusher
We also learn the same in geography classes - Romania and Moldova r central Europe (in geology and geomorphology science - Carpatian mountains and Walachian plain r central European basin).
Only part of Romania that is Balkan basin is - Dobrugea region close to Danube Delta.
Some parts of Croatia and Serbia r also central Europe (Pannonian plain is Central Europe - north of Croatia, north of Serbia, everything north from the Sava and the Danube river is Central Europe). Dunno about Cro, but in Srb we consider ourselves Balkan, cause most of country is in Balkan area.

Culturally speaking: Romania and Moldova = Balkan
Geography: RO & MD = East Europe
Geomorphology: RO & MD = Central Europe
So, it's all of it lol. (That's how I see it).

Sorry for the offtopic

 

[Interrail]

3. Eastern Europe: -am, -az, -ge, -kz

And when I was in school, we learned this is Asia. Not East Europe.

 

[Isabella]

This is what I think and I'm pretty sure: Romania is more East Europe, but also a Central Europe and you can't deny it
Croatia and Serbia are more southeast Europe (and like Interrail said North of Croatia and Serbia are also Central Europe)
And Slovenia is Central Europe.

 

[charlesf]

Kazakhstan isn't part of Europe. Though it happens to be a member of UEFA and the OSCE, but that's a legacy of the Soviet Union rather than having anything to do with a cultural or political affinity to Europe. And geographically, they obviously aren't either Europe. They belong to Central Asia.

As for Azerbaijan, it's also a major stretch to consider that country part of Europe. Just as much European as Morocco (a former participant in the ESC).

Georgia and Armenia however I do count as part of Europe and I trust most people do so as well.

Balkans... Well, it depends upon your definition, but I'd say that all European territory that was in 1815 under Turkish rule, can be considered part of the wider Balkans. Though that'd exclude Croatia. I've heard Croatians also make the case that they aren't part of the Balkans and instead part of Central Europe.

Given the choice, for understandable reasons, countries rather want to be considered part of Central Europe than the Balkans. Obviously these definitions are not set in stone, but there is a prevailing convention accepted by most. And by that definition, Romania ain't part of Central Europe. Interesting though that Romanians may view that differently.

 

[Raul_Spain]

A part of Kazakhstan is geographically in Europe, like Turkey and Russia :roll:

Beautiful flag, isn't it?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Everyone is off-topic!! :evil:

Supposed to be impact of Germany's victory!!

 

[Deltage]

The impact of German victory is that Kazakhstan is now in Europe.

Seriously though, as there are no natural borders (like oceans) between Europe and Asia, this could be debated forever and I'm sure that there are lots of definitions of where do these "border" countries belong to. I personally would say that they are partly in Europe, like Turkey.

 

[Matt]

Myheartisyours is correct, please stick to the topic. Thanks a bunch

 

[AlekS]

No impact. Said

Hey,

still a little drunk from celebrating our victory last night in Bulgarian chalga discos ^^ I thought about some things:

1. With Germany winning, Austria's argument for withdrawing is no longer valid. The problem is that they did not broadcast the 2010 final, which technically means they can't participate in 2011. Do you think the EBU might let them participate anyway if they want to. Other countries who could be prompted to return or debut: Liechtenstein (EBU memebership is applied for), Luxembourg and Monaco.

2. How do you think Italy will react to a Big4 country winning? I fear they won't give a *censored - where are your manners? say Poop*...

3. Germany being a Big 4, does that mean next year we'll only have 4 automatic qualifiers or will Turkey (as 2nd place) be given the honour?

4. Do you think Satellite will be able to chart in European countries?

I for one think it will boost the contests credibility in the West. Caus How can Germany win if the East votes only in Blocks???

1. Broadcasters join cuz they have money in order to do so ... if you hint that Italy or Austria or some other countries might come back I must disappoint you Austrian argument will be over when they agree to participate, officially. Austrian officials are morons, imo ))) The broadcaster will join when these people will be fired
Liechtenstein will join until August and it's definitely not because of Germany cuz they applied last year, lulz
Luxembourg and Monaco didn't even mind to come back but they refused because of lack of money. Everything depends of their budget.


2. Italy doesn't give a shit currently RAI doesn't want to join because of internal reasons, it's not about Eastern-Western crap.


3. Nope, only Big 4 are automatic qualifiers... though I heard that Svante wanted to cancel the "automatic qualifying" rule and make Big 4 countries participate in the semis.


4. Yes, it will be able to chart in European countries... just like other ESC winners (and non-winners).


imho certain people are still gonna complain about blocks because they just can't face that their entries royally suck. =) + they just need an object for hatred so they don't care about German victory, that's my opinion )))

 

[FallenAngelII]

Maybe, although I myself supported Greece, not Russia and I wasn't happy with how few points Estonia gave Kalomoira. Anyway I was mainly talking about the attitude some (not all of course) people in Western Europe seem to have, that Eastern Europeans have taken over "their" contest. As I said, in my opinion all this dividing is useless although if you want to, be my guest.

And I'm one of the first people to ridicule them and refute their assertions.

 

[manialf]

Austria is currently thinking about returning...

Some important guy said that to the Kronenezeitung in Austria.. (horrible boulevard, supporting the politcal extreme right) I think it's trustworthy though!

[Source= [url="http://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/"]http://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/[/url] ]

 

[AdeyC]

3. Nope, only Big 4 are automatic qualifiers... though I heard that Svante wanted to cancel the "automatic qualifying" rule and make Big 4 countries participate in the semis.

Thats fair enough - let all 39 countries pay equal amounts to participate

 

[Margerita86]

3. Nope, only Big 4 are automatic qualifiers... though I heard that Svante wanted to cancel the "automatic qualifying" rule and make Big 4 countries participate in the semis.

Thats fair enough - let all 39 countries pay equal amounts to participate

Oh boy, if UK misses the final if that were the case their media would explodes even worse than ours did when we failed this year
Would be lots of fun to watch though...

 

[FallenAngelII]

3. Nope, only Big 4 are automatic qualifiers... though I heard that Svante wanted to cancel the "automatic qualifying" rule and make Big 4 countries participate in the semis.

Thats fair enough - let all 39 countries pay equal amounts to participate

Sure, if you want the contest to have only, like, 9 participating countries.

 

[Pietclock]

In Germany it has a big impact for sure. Eurovision was next to dead in Germany last year. 2008 and 2009 were a complete desaster, they voiced of axing it became very loud, there was a goog chance it could happen. NDR (responsible regional station for ESC in Germany) even had trouble finding someone who would present the pre-ESC show.
Only this desperate situation triggered the co-operation with Stefan Raab, who works for a commercial TV station. In Germany, public and commercial broadcasters are in strong competition, almost doing nothing together. It took quite some negotiations to make it happen.
During the last years, only real ESC fans watched and almost noone took it seriously, some even were ashamed of the songs being sent there.
This year the ratings were as high as the national football team playing in a semifinal at the world cup. It even beat boxing and football...
So for the contest being regognized as something worth winning and fighting for, this victory had a huge impact in Germany, and if you read comments from countries like Netherlands or Belgium, it had the same impact there.
I would even say, it might keep a country like The Netherlands in the contest, as they were thinking of getting out. Same is true for Switzerland, where many voices have called for a pull out.

I think the biggest impact it will have in Britain. The contest had the least political voting in a long time. There was still political voting (which actually was the reason for the UK coming last....) but it only impacts the lower ranks, like if you come 15th or 20th. The Top5 were not politically impacted. When Denmark gets 12 points from Romania, there is no political influance.

The German victory brought credibility back - everyone can with this contest.

However it also changed the way of how people decide: it is not just those 3 minutes and how you sing and what you sing, but also how you present yourself and how you promote your song before the contest. The contest now begins the minute all songs are know in March, fighting to win it is a several weeks long process.

One can argue whether this is good or bad, but it certainly is an impact of this year's result.

 

[DIFF]

Kazakhstan Europe??? Do you consider a country that has only 3-5% of their territory in Europe a european country? Have you ever been to Kazakhstan??? I am from Ukraine, and I should be happy if Kazakhstan participates in Eurovision, coz in this case Ukraine can get 10 pts each time (Russia 12) but then I am pretty sure that a lot of people here will claim that ex-USSR countries vote for each other.